Donald Trump's ties to Russia

Plus this:

It figures that the Europeans know whats really going on here.

This is the first time I can remember the Russians supporting a Republican.

Edited by js - 05 Nov 2016 at 8:19am

I was born in European country, occupied by Russia, and spent first 25 yrs of my life in what was known as Soviet Union.  And I lived the other two and half decades of my life all around Europe (from UK to Balkans, from Holland to Baltics) and Central Asia - territories which have regular relations with Russia. You can find no nation there who like Russia - because of their aggressive 19 century-like imperialistic behavior first of all.

During last decade Putin's Russia started two wars in modern Europe - occupied part of Georgia and Crimea peninsula / Donbass in Ukraine. No country in modern Europe behaves like that during last 60 yrs. I don't care much about their internal "soft dictatorship" - I perfectly know this nation culture/mentality, they are far not Europeans and as almost any Asian nation, they prefer authoritarian regime against freedom (and each citizen's responsibility).  But Putin's regime aggressive plans to return world to Molotov-Ribbentrop's pact era is a biggest danger for peace and future in all Europe and partially Central Asia/Near East.

What is written in previous post ^^ is direct citation from  Putin regime-paid Russian propaganda for naive Westerners (using RT (former Russia Today), "Sputnik",etc channels) - comparing with former Communist Russia Putin's regime learned a lot from Gebbels art of propaganda, and I know it works - especially in parts of the world which are far from Russia and part of people believe in all that lies.

I still live 160 miles from Russian border (originally Eastern Prussia, most developed part of pre-WWII Germany which Russians occupied right after the war, departed ALL local population and built most militarized territory in Europe), my home town is full of Russian spies and 24h per day we  can hear/see their TV propaganda. Not sure if in States you see the same. In Europe they advertise themselves as last crusaders fighting against gays wedding, Asian immigrants invasion to Europe (they still believe that world count them being part of Europe) and as best example of "strong hand controlled democracy" vs European silly democracy and American Imperialism.

 To be honest, even here in Europe their propaganda works for part of population - usually lower educated, lesser income getting marginal groups and small part of leftist intellectuals (absolute bigger part of them never been in Russia even as tourists, I don't speak about familiarity with culture,language,mentality and regime's methods)

I believe it's extremely difficult for outsiders to have a right opinion about other nation/country/regime especially if it's very different country from your own. We here in Europe were shocked when "red Obama" has been elected in such anti-Communist country as States and during two cadences we evidenced absolute disaster of US foreign affairs everywhere -from Europe to Middle East to Near East and Far East. But I believe for Americans he was good enough and my above opinion on Obama's America sounds more than funny for many Americans.

Now we are even more shocked about possible Obama's alternative - Mr.Trump looks like bad joke here, but I believe for many Americans my words looks like crazy foreigner's stupidity. America's Putin fans words that "Russia is far not so bad, probably even good" for everyone even slightly more familiar with subject sounds at least as bad joke.


Edited by snobb - 07 Nov 2016 at 1:59am

Yesterday(!) Police of small Balkan country of Montenegro announced some first results of investigation of incident which happened there a few weeks ago. During country's Parliament election, a team of terrorist has been arrested (the very same election day). Montenegro is one of the last European non-NATO country, but it already asked for membership (which most probably will be confirmed next year).

Since it was almost obvious that current Socialist(!) President will be re-elected (and he was the one who supports NATO membership as main warranty for their independence), Russians in the only Russia-still-friendly country in Europe -Serbia formed and trained gorillas team (of Russian,Serbian and Montenegrin citizens) and sent them at the day of election to attack the Parliament and to kill current (and possible future) President since they saw it's the only way to change the government and to avoid Montenegrin participation in pro-American (read - anti-Russian) treaty. Montenegrin special services arrested them right before attack, same President has been elected and yesterday country's police announced first official info about what was a plan and who's responsible for it.

It's not a Hollywood movie, it happens in TODAY's Europe. Do you really think Putin is true Americans friend?

^ First of all all those countries were divided by ruling elites. It was decided in Germany after the war on which ones to divide up into two sides. This was done by financial elites not the Soviet Union themselves. Like everything regarding history and poltics, this is a subject that requires volumes of history to decipher in order to see a much larger picture and i've spent about 20 years studying these things on a deeper level than many out there. The relationships of geopoltics is more governed by financial elites than elected nation states these days but i do see Putin as a leading force in creating a new world currency that dethrones the US dollar. Also if you understand all the scientific research that is done in Russia you would realize that they have been leaders in such arenas that have basically been forbidden in the west. It's too much information to convince you of anything since you experience things on a different more personal level but Russia is just doing what empires do and the US has been more of a threat to world peace. And also Russia gets blamed for many things that it has nothing to do with since it's a convenient scapegoat for the Western media. I meet Russians here all the time because we have a large community and they are just like everyone else. It's not the people who are bad but rather the out of touch elites who are bent on world domination

siLLy puPPy wrote: ^ First of all all those countries were divided by ruling elites. It was decided in Germany after the war on which ones to divide up into two sides. This was done by financial elites not the Soviet Union themselves. Like everything regarding history and poltics, this is a subject that requires volumes of history to decipher in order to see a much larger picture and i've spent about 20 years studying these things on a deeper level than many out there. The relationships of geopoltics is more governed by financial elites than elected nation states these days but i do see Putin as a leading force in creating a new world currency that dethrones the US dollar. Also if you understand all the scientific research that is done in Russia you would realize that they have been leaders in such arenas that have basically been forbidden in the west. It's too much information to convince you of anything since you experience things on a different more personal level but Russia is just doing what empires do and the US has been more of a threat to world peace. And also Russia gets blamed for many things that it has nothing to do with since it's a convenient scapegoat for the Western media. I meet Russians here all the time because we have a large community and they are just like everyone else. It's not the people who are bad but rather the out of touch elites who are bent on world domination

Edited by snobb - 07 Nov 2016 at 9:21am

so -we woke up in the new world





http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/730314/donald-trump-putin-moscow-russia-election-presidential-race


Edited by snobb - 09 Nov 2016 at 1:27am

There's a lot that goes on behind the scene. Clinton and the establishment was hell bent for leather on creating a war with Russia. Although i didn't vote for him and don't personally like him, at least he will most likely not be creating artificial skirmishes where none exist. Part of the insider testimony i've studied is that the president is only like 35th in line in an invisible power structure. If he gets too out of control and threatens the status quo they will simply play a JFK on him. I suggest just don't watch TV for the next four years!!!

That's true but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what the US does in world occupation and theft of other nation's resources. I'm not defending Russia's aggressive behavior in that region by any means but the Syria thing is riddled with inconsistencies in reporting and i have not been convinced either way about what is happening there. And when it's all said and done, it's not our business as Americans to be there. We have a crumbling country and spend all our resources keeping corporations rich.