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    Posted: 18 Nov 2011 at 8:03am
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After Ian Carr (last year), Graham Collier (two months ago), and Michael Garrick, it is now Gordon Beck who died a few days before Garrick did!!
 

Gordon James Beck, pianist, bandleader: born London 16 September 1938; died Ely, Cambridgeshire 6 November 2011.

 

There can be no doubt that Gordon Beck was one of the most talented of European jazz pianists. He played on half a dozen of Tubby Hayes's finest albums and on another ten during his four years in the band led by the American alto-sax player Phil Woods.

No one will have been more surprised than Beck that he got to be 73, for he must have been one of the world's greatest pessimists. On tour with a band he would ask, "Now why is the pilot throttling down just as we approach the Alps? Did you feel that lurch? He had to swerve to avoid that plane over there."

Mainly a self-taught musician, he had studied classical music with his violinist father for four years, beginning when he was 12. He didn't become a professional musician until he was 24.

In 1957 he left for Canada, where his meticulous nature suited him in his work as a draftsman in aero engineering. He sat in with jazz groups and, when he returned to London the next year, played with saxophonist Peter King's quartet at Ronnie Scott's club. King was a gifted aero-modeller and when the two men talked it was of ailerons and airframes rather than music.

Beck became a full-time professional in the summer of 1960 when he played in Monte Carlo with Tony Crombie and the American tenor player Don Byas. During a brief spell with the Vic Ash/Harry Klein quintet he also worked with Tony Kinsey, before joining Tubby Hayes's quintet in 1962.

After another spell with Kinsey, Beck formed his own trio in 1965, beginning a long association with drummer Tony Oxley. The trio became the house rhythm section at Ronnie Scott's, and Beck toured France as a member of Ronnie Scott's Octet in 1968. In 1969 he began another long association, with the American singer Helen Merrill, when the trio first accompanied her in 1969.

That year he joined Phil Woods's European Rhythm Machine, touring throughout Europe and working in the US in 1971. Woods had chosen his musicians for their political as well as musical compatibility. When Woods disbanded, Beck formed his own group, Gyroscope, which lasted until 1975 when Beck let it go to involve himself in studio work.

The next band he was involved with was Ian Carr's Nucleus; he recorded with the band in 1973 and 1974. In 1973 Carr wrote vividly of his pianist. "Gordon seems to be in a constant state of despair about the selfishness and depravity of human nature, the sickness of consumer society, the frailty of the whole economic structure of the West and its apparent imminent collapse. Whatever disaster might befall any man at any moment you can be sure that it will have been imagined by Gordon Beck.

"And yet, as soon as he starts to play the piano, he gives the lie to his own gloom, because his playing is full of joy – is, in fact, a celebration of being alive. The brilliant and unquenchable flow of ideas and the superabundant technique express nothing less than jubilation."

Early in his career Beck immersed himself in the piano work of the American Bill Evans – and Evans remained the major influence on his playing.

In Beck's session work he accompanied Lena Horne, Gary Burton, Clark Terry, George Gruntz and, in the first of many reunions with the altoist, Phil Woods. He began to record prolifically and, at his death, had 26 albums under his own name. One of them, The Complete Concert, was a double CD of a 1996 concert of duets that he and Phil Woods played in London's Wigmore Hall. Another particularly satisfying one from 1968, Experiments with Pops, featured the early work of guitarist John McLaughlin. He made a duet album in 1984 with Merrill, No Tears, No Goodbyes, and worked for Merrill at various times between 1984 and 1994.

Beck toured the US again and then Japan in 1985 with guitarist Allan Holdsworth, and the two played as a duo during 1988. He also toured Europe in 1985 with a quartet of himself, Didier Lockwood, Cecil McBee and Billy Hart. The group recorded two albums before breaking up.

Ill health caused him to abandon his career five or six years ago.

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The jazz composer Graham Collier liked quoting an old friend's description of watching him handle a big band – like someone "directing 14 Jackson Pollocks". Collier, who has died aged 74, was not a monumental composer by the standards of colossi such as Duke Ellington. But if he was a step behind, he was a quietly combative, thoughtful, subtle and often eloquent practitioner, able to write complex, yet richly harmonised and lyrical scores in shifting time-signatures, which nonetheless liberated rather than cramped improvising soloists.

He was also a gifted educator, a polemicist, a critic of the pursuit of ephemeral fashions and the instigator of initiatives that accelerated the independence of jazz in his homeland. The British scene was an also-ran on the world stage when Collier arrived, but it became a big-hitting international contender during his lifetime – and the Tynesider laid down some pioneering markers as part of that change.

Collier was the first Briton to graduate from the jazz course at Berklee College of Music, Boston. In 1968 he became the first composer to receive an Arts Council bursary for a jazz piece, his Workpoints project, at a time when many in the arts establishment thought jazz was a commercial music undeserving of public subsidy. Many British jazz artists have since been funded because of Collier's mix of perseverance, belief, political nous and bolshieness.

He was an influential member of the London-based jazz generation of the late 1960s, fired by a new confidence that contemporary composition could finally be independent of its American models. Collier also initiated a jazz course at the Royal Academy of Music in London, and was the conservatoire's first jazz director and subsequently professor, from 1986 until his retirement in 1999.

He is perhaps best known, however, for running a workshop for unknown young musicians, including the pianist Django Bates and saxophonist Iain Ballamy, in London in 1984, from which sprang Loose Tubes, one of the most creative and influential jazz orchestras founded in Britain.

Collier was born in Tynemouth, Tyne and Wear. He played the trumpet and then double bass with an army band from 1954, serving for three years in Hong Kong. In 1961 he won a scholarship funded by the American jazz magazine DownBeat, attending Berklee under the inspirational composition teacher Herb Pomeroy. On graduation in 1963, he toured the US as a bassist with Jimmy Dorsey's swing band before returning to Britain to found the first version of an ensemble devoted to his own compositions, Graham Collier Music.

The group was to change regularly, in size and personnel, but it included some of the finest soloists on the London scene of the mid-60s, including John Dankworth's sideman Kenny Wheeler, the young Barbadian trumpeter Harry Beckett (who was to become a lifelong Collier associate), and Mike Westbrook's sax virtuoso discovery John Surman. Collier's later groups maintained the quality of that first line-up over the years, his bands including the composer/pianist Karl Jenkins, the trombonist and bandleader Mike Gibbs, the saxophonists Art Themen, Chris Biscoe and James Allsopp, and many more.

Collier's early groups made innovative recordings that have become cult classics, including the live sets from 1968 and 1975 issued on the US Cuneiform label under the title Workpoints. These pieces revealed his devotion to Ellington, Mingus and the Miles Davis/Gil Evans bands, but recast in a distinctively European harmonic language, and explored Britain's newly emerging crossovers of jazz and rock. The albums Down Another Road (1969) and Songs for My Father (1970) saw these ingredients mixed increasingly effectively.

Collier's career took a further leap when he was invited to form an international big band for the 1983 Bracknell Jazz Festival, and wrote the evocative and subtly shaded composition Hoarded Dreams. The big-band experience (and a conviction that the UK's jazz renaissance was producing a rising but underused generation of talented newcomers) led Collier to form a workshop orchestra in 1984. Bates and Ballamy were among the first recruits. Though the subsequent emergence of Loose Tubes as a transforming force in European jazz composition was to happen as much in spite of Collier's guidance as because of it, the mentor of these unruly charges had undoubtedly talent-spotted a group with the originality to change, and keep changing, the way jazz sounded.

In the same period, Collier also conceived a new six-year jazz degree course at the Sibelius Institute in Helsinki, along with his initiatives at the Royal Academy of Music. In 1987 he was appointed OBE and two years later participated in the founding of the International Association of Schools of Jazz, serving on its board for the next nine years. In 1994 Collier produced the report Jazz Education in America for a Winston Churchill fellowship, and the findings led to the launch of the educational journal Jazz Changes, with Collier as co-editor.

His international commissions also burgeoned during these years, and he was to compose for the Danish Radio Jazz Orchestra and Germany's NDR Big Band, and for ensembles from saxophone quartets to symphony orchestras. In the mid-1990s, following a BBC commission for the London Jazz Festival, he developed the ad hoc big band the Jazz Ensemble, with a core lineup augmented by guests. It produced two albums, Charles River Fragments (1995) and The Third Colour (1999). Collier's deepening compositional resources also brought him commissions for the theatre, documentary and fiction films, and radio drama – including the acclaimed BBC adaptation of Josef Škvoreckύ's novella The Bass Saxophone (1989, the winner of a Sony award).

Collier wrote six books including Interaction, Opening Up the Jazz Ensemble (1995) and The Jazz Composer: Moving Music Off the Paper (2009). On leaving the Royal Academy of Music in 1999, he went to live in Ronda in southern Spain, and in 2008 moved with his partner, John Gill, to an island in the Aegean Sea.

When I interviewed him for the Guardian in 1997, Collier commented on that year's composition The Third Colour, which reflected his long fascination with painting and its conceptual implications for music-making. "In abstract painting," he said, "the notion of the 'the third colour' is supposed to represent the connection between the lines. I've been working all my life between what's improvised and what's written, so maybe it's appropriate. I think the nature of improvisation is often misunderstood, inside and outside jazz. To me there are three kinds of improvising. Solo, which is obvious; textural, which is what a rhythm section often does … and structural improvising, which the bandleader or conductor might organise, deciding during the performance to have the band play the sections of the piece in a different order, or play five choruses instead of four, or whatever. What all this amounts to is that as the leader of this kind of band you can seize the moment." It's a sentiment that energised this major enabler of British jazz throughout his life.

Collier is survived by his partner.

• James Graham Collier, composer, born 21 February 1937; died 9 September 2011

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Michael Garrick, pianist, composer, arranger and music educator died in hospital on 11 November aged 78 after suffering from heart problems for some years.


Michael was one the UK's best known and loved musicians whose first recordings were made back in 1958. He will be remembered particularly for his work with Joe Harriott and Shake Keane in the 1960s which produced such albums as 'Black Marigolds', 'October Woman' and 'Promises' all of which are still available and then later with Ian Carr and Don Rendell.

The association with Rendell/Carr was particularly fruitful and produced the classic albums 'Dusk Fire', 'Phase 3' and 'Live'. He was an early supporter of poetry with jazz and again several recordings exist.

A 1972 trio album, 'Cold Mountain', shows off Michael's piano work to great effect and this will remain as a lasting tribute to him. Later works were for the New Jazz Orchestra and other big bands.

Michael continued working in a variety of settings right up to his death and he became a respected music educator and supporter of young musicians worldwide. He formed his own record label - 'Jazz Academy' - to feature his music and his pupils.

His autobiography 'Dusk Fire' was published in 2010 and he was honoured by the award of the MBE in the same year.

Michael Garrick will be remembered fondly by his former pupils, by his fellow musicians and by the jazz community at large. His legacy will surely be the many fine recordings he made in many different settings over the last 50 years.

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I know it's a repeat of the thread opened in the special thread.... but that thread will soon be embedded in other Newsbriefs topics... So this will be more visible two months from now
 
 
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It was 1935 when the AFM first banned foreign musicians 'taking work from American musicians'. The MU responded 'tit-for-tat' (which must have really worried them...not!).  AFM President ex-bandleader James Petrillo kept the ban in place into the '50s, though I seem to recall that the likes of Duke Ellington and Louis Armstrong were allowed to appear in the UK because they were classed as 'variety artistes'!  Once it was lifted...the floodgates opened and we were spoilt for choice. My first experience has probably never been surpassed. I was fortunate enough to see the first "Jazz at the Philharmonic" package to play in Britain at the Gaumont State, Kilburn in 1953.

I remember Frank Ricotti well.   There weren't many guys playing vibes in those days (though a few pianists 'doubled' on them..Mike Carr for one), but Frank was certainly first choice...Neil Ardley definitley used him more than once. He formed a quartet with Chris Spedding in the late '60s, which recorded one album "Our point of view" in 1969 (quite a collector's item now). He later played with John Taylor, a fine pianist, in a trio format with bass player Chris Laurence.
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Once the London Jazz scene exploded (this is a matter of speach, because the British jazzmen  couldn't export themselves to the US by trade agreements - workforce and visas issues. It was the Britsh rock Invasion musicians against (or for) the US Jazz establishment...**
the only exception was ... John McLaughlin (and Jack Bruce, but he was considered a rock musician)... all of the others had to turn to Continental Europe... All these US/UK barriers started to break loose from 73 onwards

So the London Scene arrived to maturity from 65 onwards, with guys like Neil Ardley (New Jazz Orchestra and Solo), Don Rendell, Mike Westbrook, Mike Gibbs, Ian Carr, John Surman, Mike Osborne, Keith Tippett, Michael Garrick and my favorite Graham Collier... All these jazzmen were all post-bop IMHO





** source: the booklet of John Surman's NDR Flashpoint on the Cuneiform label.


 
 
I would agreethe US and UK musician unions did limit the exchange of musicians across the Atlantic - wasn't it "you have one of ours and we take one of your's? But footage of Louis Armstrong (with Humph... for instance) having sailed across the seas in the QE or the QM,  was fairly regular for the 50's and 60's - and surely Ted Heath, Tubby Hayes broke into the American market into the 50's (I can only think of George Shearing as preceeding these guys). Big Bill Bronzy must have been one of the first American blues musicians to arrive in the UK - excellent ep  recorded in London in 1956 or so -  as guest of Chris Barber. However, Bronzy had to go back to a repertoire he left behind 20 years before to please the British audiences and apparently used little of his up to date material.
 
 
You also have to think that important to the UK jazz scene in the 50's and 60's were the likes of  Johnnie Dankworth, who for instance took Dudley Moore under his wing, encouraging the pianist to play serious (modern?) jazz. Then there were a whole host of jobbing musicians (many had come of of the armed forces and with musical training in military bands - in fact weren't Robert Fripp's early partners, the Giles brothers ex. RAF band players?) - of which Ronnie Scott  has to be mentioned, at  least for establishing Ronnie Scott's Club in London's Soho and not being afraid to book bands like Soft Machine in the early 70's.
 
BTW didn't Frank Ricotti (percussionist on numerous prog rock albums in the 70's ) have a jazz trio in the 60's?
 
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Originally posted by londonjazzer londonjazzer wrote:


By the way, Sean, though Neil Ardley could play piano and certainly used keyboards when writing arrangements, I don't think he would ever have claimed to be a pianist...and certainly not in the same class as the illustrious names listed above. 
LJ  Smile
 
Yeah, I know... Ardley wasn't that much a pianist, but more of a "keyboardist" (and not that good of one either)... He used synths in his 70's albums
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Once the London Jazz scene exploded (this is a matter of speach, because the British jazzmen  couldn't export themselves to the US by trade agreements - workforce and visas issues. It was the Britsh rock Invasion musicians against (or for) the US Jazz establishment...**
the only exception was ... John McLaughlin (and Jack Bruce, but he was considered a rock musician)... all of the others had to turn to Continental Europe... All these US/UK barriers started to break loose from 73 onwards

So the London Scene arrived to maturity from 65 onwards, with guys like Neil Ardley (New Jazz Orchestra and Solo), Don Rendell, Mike Westbrook, Mike Gibbs, Ian Carr, John Surman, Mike Osborne, Keith Tippett, Michael Garrick and my favorite Graham Collier... All these jazzmen were all post-bop IMHO





** source: the booklet of John Surman's NDR Flashpoint on the Cuneiform label.




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Just discovered this thread...all good stuff.  Though it wasn't recognised at the time, the '60s was a great decade  for nascent british jazz and jazz/rock musicians  The latter hybrid really arrived on the coat-tails of the British blues explosion, fuelled by people like Alexis Korner, Chris Barber and Humph bringing over several American blues singers.

A lot a very good musicians were semi-pro, as it was nigh on impossible to make a living playing 'modern' jazz. The R&B boom of the early (ish) '60s meant that quite a lot of these semi-pro musicans could turn pro and make a decent living playing music that wasn't too far removed from jazz. Amongst the first to tread this path were Manfred Mann (before he went completely 'pop), Graham Bond, Jack Bruce and Ginger Baker, Jon Hiseman etc. I also remember Clive Burrows, a very competent baritone sax player and excellent arranger, dropping out of the big-band that he had helped found (which evolved into the New Jazz Orchestra, led by Neil Ardley) to turn pro with the Wes Minster Five, a regular at the Flamingo Club, where another jazz influenced group, Georgie Fame and the Blue Flames were resident.

The New Jazz Orchestra was one of tje first semi-pro big-bands that gave up-and-coming jazz musicians the opportunity to gain experience of reading and ensemble playing...it included among its ranks:  Ian Carr, Henry Lowther, Trevor Watts, Barbara Thompson, Jon Hiseman and John Mumford, Derek Wadsworth and not forgetting Mike Gibbs (who arranged "Tanglewood '63' for the orchestra)...all of whom went on to lengthy careers in music.

By the way, Sean, though Neil Ardley could play piano and certainly used keyboards when writing arrangements, I don't think he would ever have claimed to be a pianist...and certainly not in the same class as the illustrious names listed above. 
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Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I would include Julie Tippetts/nae Driscoll and therefore Brian Auger, (noting you have Gary Boyle already- one of Auger's sidemen).
 
Space for UK jazzy Hammond players:
 
Graham Bond
Brian Auger
Georgie Fame
 
Bond and Fame were in
 
But indeed, Brian Auger..Head on wallEmbarrassedEmbarrassed (alzheimer setting in LOL).
 

 
 
I had, indeed, spotted you'd Bond and Fame, instead  I was trying more to promote the sub-section and inviting more names of UK  Hammond organists with a jazz bent - I guess too early for James Taylor, while one notorious for collecting Hammond  organs, Steve Winwood, is too R'n'B/rock to be included. There was a jazz trio lead by a Hammond organist who appeared a lot on UK TV in the mid and late 60's - but i can't remember their group name.
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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

I would include Julie Tippetts/nae Driscoll and therefore Brian Auger, (noting you have Gary Boyle already- one of Auger's sidemen).
 
Space for UK jazzy Hammond players:
 
Graham Bond
Brian Auger
Georgie Fame
 
Bond and Fame were in
 
But indeed, Brian Auger..Head on wallEmbarrassedEmbarrassed (alzheimer setting in LOL).
 
 
 
also added
 
Jimmy Deuchar (trumpet),
Harry South (piano)
Phil Seamen (drums)
Stan Tracey (piano)
Ted Heath (trombone)
Victor Feldman (piano),
Ian (clarinet) & Keith Christie (trombone)


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Originally posted by Dick Heath Dick Heath wrote:

Let me have a think , with only the following immediately coming to mind

Gordon Beck is an obvious omission - Stuart Nicholson (in Jazz Rock A History)  lists his Experiments With Pops (68 or 69) as a scene-setter for jazz fusion/rock. Worth checking out the sidemen list on Westbrook's albums of the late 60's e.g. March Song through to Cadillac. Mike Gibb?  Improv/free jazz drummer  and teacher: John Stevens?

Henry Lowther also seemed to be in demand for his violin playing.
 
Gordon Beck EmbarrassedEmbarrassedEmbarrassed my!!! How could I have forgotten himHead on wall
 
Gibbs is in
 
John Stevens.... I should've remembered him as well.Head on wall
 
 
 
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I would include Julie Tippetts/nae Driscoll and therefore Brian Auger, (noting you have Gary Boyle already- one of Auger's sidemen).
 
Space for UK jazzy Hammond players:
 
Graham Bond
Brian Auger
Georgie Fame
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Let me have a think , with only the following immediately coming to mind

Gordon Beck is an obvious omission - Stuart Nicholson (in Jazz Rock A History)  lists his Experiments With Pops (68 or 69) as a scene-setter for jazz fusion/rock. Worth checking out the sidemen list on Westbrook's albums of the late 60's e.g. March Song through to Cadillac. Mike Gibb?  Improv/free jazz drummer  and teacher: John Stevens?

Henry Lowther also seemed to be in demand for his violin playing.
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I can't believe I forgot Dave Holland....
but it's true that both him and McL didn't hang around much the London scene once they met Miles
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I've purposely left out some wide-known musicians from the rock world (like Bill Bruford or Dave Stewart), thouggh!
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I'm not trying to be exhaustive (but helped is welcomed >> Hint, hint, Dick!! Wink), but I've tried to get a list of musicians by instruments that gravitated around the London Scene in that given period....
 
In Italics, musicians that released more than one album under their own names or as bandleaders
 
I bolded out the ones I think played a major role in the British jazz scene
 

Drummers:

Trevor Tomkins

Alan Jackson

John Marshall

John Webb

Chris McGregor (South Africa)

Louis Moholo (South Africa)

 

Bassists

Chris Laurence

Jeff Clyne

Dave Green

Roy Babbington

Graham Collier

Harry Miller (South Africa)

Brian Odgers

Ron Matthewson

Dave Holland
 

Guitarists:

Chris Spedding

Gary Boyle

John McLaughlin

Phil Lee

Phil Miller

Ray Russell

Alan Holdsworth

Ed Speight

 

Pianists-keyboardists:

John Taylor,

Dave McRae

Karl Jenkins

Michael Garrick

Mike Westbrook

Neil Ardley

Keith Tippett

Mike Taylor

Roger Dean (not the artwork artiste)

 

Saxmen:

John Surman

Alan Skidmore

Mike Osborne

John Warren (Canada)

Don Rendell

Elton Dean

Lynn Dobson

George Khan

Stan Sulzmann

Ray Warleigh

John Dankworth

Trumpet – flugelhorn – cornet - french horn:

Henry Lowther  (also violin)

Kenny Wheeler (Canada)

Harry Beckett (Barbados)

Ian Carr

Mark Charig

Dave Holdsworth

Mongezi Feza (South Africa)

 

Trombone:

Malcolm GriffithsChris Smith
John Mumford

Paul Rutherford

Mike Gibbs

Nick Evans

Robin Miller

Derek Wadsworth

Chris Pyne

 

Others:

Norma Winstone – vocals

Julie Tippets - vocals
Frank Ricotti – vibes

Richard Branscombe – vibes

 

 

 

Oldtimers (previous generation >> 50's)

Ronnie Scott – sax

Harold McNair - sax-flute (Jamaica)

Joe Harriott – sax

Shane Keane – sax

Tubby Hayes - sax 

 

 

From the rock/r’nb idiom:

Brian & Hugh Hopper (sax & bass)

Mike Ratledge (KB)

Robert Wyatt (drums)

Brian Auger (KB)
John Hiseman (drums)

Tony Reeves (bass)

Dick Heckstall-Smith (sax)

Graham Bond (KB)

Ginger Baker (drums)

Jack Bruce (bass)

Barbara Thompson (sax)

 

Jazz-lite

Georgie Fame,

 
 
 update:
Jimmy Deuchar (trumpet),
Harry South (piano)
Phil Seamen (drums)
Stan Tracey (piano)
Ted Heath (trombone)
Victor Feldman (piano),
Ian (clarinet) & Keith Christie (trombone)


 



Edited by Sean Trane - 02 Nov 2011 at 3:10am
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Hi,
 
Other than the stuff around Kevin/Daevid that were living in the same place iwth a couple of Beat Generation folks and also some guy named Syd, and then the obvious Soft Machine scene, I really find the scene over there alive, but ... not quite discussed or seen that much.
 
I always thought that Robert's ABC was a real comment (very much in tune and time with the era and its socio-political commentaries) about most jazz listeners and how they tend to come of more sophisticated and sometimes educated than otherwise.
 
Ohhh ... and it was so .... __________________ ... funny when coming out of the ZPZ/RTF concert and a couple of folks on their fancy little sports cars, complete with convertible and blonde on the next seat, were playing some jazz out loud on their stereo ... it was one of those ... I really wanted to blast them out with something and would have if I was alone ... and some real FZ would have been good ... so when hearing Robert break into his ABC towards the end of that long piece, was amazing and one of those things that kinda places the music in perspective.  I don't think of it as a finger at all ... I just think it is more ... "don't you think that you are a bit stuck up with that thought?" ... and breaking into something so seminal and so basic, is like saying that music enjoyment is what this is about ... not anything else. It's a very valid comment, specially for the time, although if Obama or Perry said it today, they would be considered "politically incorrect!"
 
I'm not sure that we see that, but Robert's words, poetry and works .... are rather "pointed" ... and we don't just mean about a song having to do with "rocky bottom" that he personally met with. Daevid and Kevin would have been way too much ... against, shall we say ... that kind of thing, and they would have free formed their way to the left, then right, then up and then around and destroyed the word "jazz" if they were faced with that, only to find themselves with a massive album that everyone would have called weird and psychedelic and ..... what not!
 
But there was another venue for jazzy things, and both guys that played the music interludes for The Goons did some rather nice jazz'y stuff, although it was mostly song related than "jazz" related in the way we think of this music. So that would be the mid 50's, but also a great time for black folks' music to show up in London? It would definitly suggest that this was there?
 
Not sure a history can be written, as it might be too open, but all too often these connect in sublte variations ... but one thing is clear to me, and that is that the music scene is on par with the theater scene in London as well as the film scene ... although I seriously doubt that The National Theater ever used a jazz band for one of their plays, though we know that Richard Harvey and Gryphon did do some Shakespeare time music for them, and folks here are calling that "progressive" when all it is is electric period music! But not sure I ever heard, or saw a jazz musician involved with them creating something that you and I can listen to and appreciate.
 
But a colaboration to put these together and have a nice concensus on the history of it instead of just a band here and there, would be nice and a great representation of the time and place.


Edited by Moshkito - 06 Oct 2011 at 4:07pm
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I think getting hold of the second episode of BBC 4's Jazz Britannia TV series might answer some of these questions. It is interesting to hear one theory suggesting jazz rock appeared in London just before 1965, with Graham Bond and Georgie Fame being cited and the reasons they went electric and then increased the amount blues/soul content into their performances. Then on the jazz blues rock side  you get the original godfathers of British blues, Korner and Davis - don't believe what Mayall claims - early in the 60's. You even go back to the mid/late 50's with Chris Barber, who perhaps owed a lot to Dixieland jazz, but brought black blues artists across to the UK, (e.g. Big Bill Bronzy)  and gave his guitarist/banjoist Lonnie Donnegan a slot playing folk-becoming-skiffle  during shows. Personally it was hearing the new jazz of John McLaughlin on Extrapolation and (for me more belatedly) Gordon Beck's Experiments With Pop (with "Johnny McLaughlin").
 
Dixieland was very poplar from the beginning of the 60's Kenny Ball and Akker Bilk probably being the most notable. But then the novelty jazz-flavoured acts were there,  Temperance Seven for instance, who were an influence on the Bonzo, who played  some novelty jazz in their early days.
 
Soft Machine and Robert Wyatt - read Graham Bennett's 'Out -Bloody Rageous'. Started out as a pop and soul covers band (as Wilde Flowers) that soon included their own compositions, while allowing solos played at gigs to become open ended. Daevid Allen's avant jazz influence, Kevin Ayers (and Wyatt's?) dadaisms, mantras ('we did it again' - ad nausea), Mike Ratledge's Oxford University postgraduate trained, modern serious music influences (e.g. what became known as minimalism) were in the mix. Listen to the early recordings 'Jet Propelled Photo', 'The Soft Machine', 'Middle Earth Tapes', for both some early evolution and the differences between studio and live performances. Ratledge on 'Middle Earth Tapes', sounds the more professional musician of the three (or perhap four if Allen was still involved) - those solos in 1967 to me are so much more superior than Keith Emerson of the same date - while Wyatt and Ayers had the enthusiams to invent as they went along. Hearing 'Volume Two'  a fortnight before UK original release, propelled me into buying an expenseve American import copy there and then, I was not disappointed - jazz rock fusion. In reality a fusion of avant rock, hippy philosophy, dadaism, jazz and probably a few other things. However, listen to 'Soft Machine at Paradiso', recorded two weeks after 'Volume 2' was completed, played as 3 piece group without Brian Hopper's sax etc. , with different track order, looser gig playing and I think we have early prog rather than early jazz rock fusion. In passing I long thought Waytt made up the lyirics as he went a long during a show - but check the liner notes for one of those early BBC recordings albums ('Triple Echo'??), and it reveals Wyatt spent some time rewriting lyrics before going into the studio
 
And in the meanwhile Ian Carr was coming from a different place to end up near centre along side  Machine with Nucleus and the subsequent cross-fertilisation. Septober Energy..............................


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