Cool Jazz Head to Head - Bill vs Dave

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   Brubek himself is a bit of a mixed bag, sort of his own thing, but Morello and Desmond were the essence of cool jazz, particularly Desmond.Cool jazz was just a reaction to the "hot" jazz of Bop. Parker and Gillespie had taken Bop to such extremes that people couldn't really keep up anymore, hence the more relaxed sounds of cool jazz. Certain types of almost 3rd stream type sophistications were also part of the cool scene, a certain chamber music effect.
Not all cool players were on the west coast though, one of my favorites, George Shearing, was from the UK.

Poll Question: Choose a fav cool jazz album
Poll Choice	Votes	Poll Statistics
Time Out - Dave Brubeck	4	[80.00%]
Waltz for Debbie - Bill Evans	1	[20.00%]
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js Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Forum Admin Group Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35144	Post Options Post Reply Quote js Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Topic: Cool Jazz Head to Head - Bill vs Dave Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 8:44pm
	Brubek himself is a bit of a mixed bag, sort of his own thing, but Morello and Desmond were the essence of cool jazz, particularly Desmond. Cool jazz was just a reaction to the "hot" jazz of Bop. Parker and Gillespie had taken Bop to such extremes that people couldn't really keep up anymore, hence the more relaxed sounds of cool jazz. Certain types of almost 3rd stream type sophistications were also part of the cool scene, a certain chamber music effect. Not all cool players were on the west coast though, one of my favorites, George Shearing, was from the UK.

dreadpirateroberts Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Forum Admin Group Joined: 06 Jul 2011 Location: AU Status: Offline Points: 1836	Post Options Post Reply Quote dreadpirateroberts Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 7:25pm
	^ I agree, it's a stand out album that stradles boundaries so very well, but I'd also suggest that there's nothing to say Cool Jazz can't be sophisticated, huh?
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Sean Trane Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Senior Member Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 789	Post Options Post Reply Quote Sean Trane Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 6:17pm
	From what I know of Cool Jazz (not pretending to be an expert), Time Out doesn't sound much like it (except maybe for Desmond's soft sax).... The tricky time sigs of Take Five or Blue Rondo and others are not CJ, IMHO Maybe because he (Brubeck) was from the west coast, (and most of these jazzers were lumped in CJ), but TO is neither CJ nor is it bop... it's kind of unclassifiable Edited by Sean Trane - 13 Aug 2012 at 6:18pm
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idlero Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Forum Senior Member VIP member Joined: 07 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 2158	Post Options Post Reply Quote idlero Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Aug 2012 at 10:20am
	I prefer 'TIme Out' to 'Waltz...', but taking into account other albums too , Bill Evans is the winner for me
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js Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Forum Admin Group Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35144	Post Options Post Reply Quote js Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 12 Aug 2012 at 1:07pm
	Brubek is a great player, but Evans gets inside of tunes and takes them apart. He makes it sound pretty, but Evans is a deconstructionist. At least thats how I hear it, but I'm hardly an "expert" on either.

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	^ very, very different players huh? It's easy to think of Bill as similar to an Impressionist painter or a Romantic composer, whereas Dave seems to have composed more instantly recognisable pieces across his career perhaps Maybe this is a tougher match up than I thought, pitting a live trio album against a studio quartet release, but then, that shouldn't matter really. A good album is a good album.
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js Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Visit Members Homepage Add to Buddy List Forum Admin Group Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35144	Post Options Post Reply Quote js Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 11 Aug 2012 at 2:25am
	Bill Evans will always top Brubek in my book, two different worlds.

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	Here's a poll that I expect Dave to win, which is certainly ok, but I'd also like to hear any cool jazz pairings you think would be close? There's a few Bill Evans albums I prefer to Waltz..., but I wanted to put one of his biggest up against Time Out Edited by dreadpirateroberts - 11 Aug 2012 at 2:31am
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