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    Posted: 10 Jul 2013 at 8:51pm
When most people tell me it's relaxing, I whip out my laptop, open itunes, cue up a section of John Coltrane's "Ascension" and I say "is that relaxing enough for ya? Huh?" and then I laugh with fiendish glee.
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most probably those people never listen to double LP of solo sax improvisation? Confused
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These people probably wouldn't appreciate the fact that a lot of jazz records I own are not the least bit relaxing, ha. Nuke
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Well said - the immediate association of the word 'jazz' with 'relaxing' is misleading. It's a bit like when I hear people tell me they like jazz (or any style of music) but what they're really saying is that they a certain subset.

Like when a metal head tells me they love metal but 'metal' for them = about 4 bands only, each playing the same sub-genre Smile 
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I suppose everyone has their own tastes.  And everyone's tastes are developed in different ways.  So, if you like it, that's cool.  If you don't that's cool.  BUT...the thing that really kills me is when I tell people that I listen to jazz and they say something like "oh, it's so relaxing".  Or when I tell them I am a jazz musician, smooth jazz is what usually pops into their minds.  That, unfortunately, is the downside I see to it.  But it can be a good gateway for someone to appreciate music without words, however, it is seldom a gateway into discovering other genres of jazz.
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I honestly like smooth jazz.
Now I doubt I'd ever buy any and I don't have any, and I know generally it is simple sax (maybe others) over, barely, a drum beat...but it is soothing. At a restaurant or just generally in the background, it's really nice. I like falling asleep to it sometimes.

I prefer "normal" jazz though for sure.

Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

It can be a great music for parties and a relaxed atmosphere. 

Or for a short version ^ LOL


Edited by The Hepcat - 02 Jun 2011 at 11:27pm
My fav jazz artist is Charlie. He hangs out in the park with his sax and is a character out of the 1940's. He's not great, but is improving each day and damn he has heart. That's what its all about!
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the video of blue mitchell is the last track on the relevant album,. the previous tracks are cooler!
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Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Originally posted by poorslyn poorslyn wrote:

my fave smooth jazz must be `Blue Mitchell` ,  his early 70`s Mainstream label issues were really cool but also a listening blast.

I saw this video for the first time. It was a good tune. Thank you. However, it was possible to listen to it a little for me as a part of Soul/Funk Jazz. I am not so well versed for smooth jazz. I thought that Amandla of Miles Davis that John had referred in this thread before was a good example as smooth jazz. Or, I submit Atlantis of Wayne Shorter as an example. In addition, the music recalled at once for me was Fourplay and Urban Knights.
hmmm, the vinyl version [on mainstream] is the real source for his cool but intoxicating jazz blues fusion, go get it , vinyl or cd reissue. an absolute treat.
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Originally posted by poorslyn poorslyn wrote:

my fave smooth jazz must be `Blue Mitchell` ,  his early 70`s Mainstream label issues were really cool but also a listening blast.

I saw this video for the first time. It was a good tune. Thank you. However, it was possible to listen to it a little for me as a part of Soul/Funk Jazz. I am not so well versed for smooth jazz. I thought that Amandla of Miles Davis that John had referred in this thread before was a good example as smooth jazz. Or, I submit Atlantis of Wayne Shorter as an example. In addition, the music recalled at once for me was Fourplay and Urban Knights.
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my fave smooth jazz must be `Blue Mitchell` ,  his early 70`s Mainstream label issues were really cool but also a listening blast.

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Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

It is also great for elevators and shops
 
I always listen to fusion and smooth jazz. The chance that I love it is this exactly. And, my father recommended me the tune of Perez Prado. When I was a grade-schooler, those events all had me. It was surely carved in my brain though I did not understand it at that time.
I had music and hard rock in surroundings in the 80's that became popular since then.
And, the starting point of my music was in smooth jazz/fusion and Latin-American music now though jazz rock/fusion occupied the specific gravity.
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I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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I like very little smooth jazz. I think the only artist I really like in that form is Earl Klugh.

I generally go for speedy fusion jazz or energetic avant jazz.
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Its the "pop" music of jazz.....I don't have a problem with it, I just can't listen to much of it. My wife and I saw Kenny G couple years ago (kinda felt obligated since he is from the Emerald City).....it was a good show, I mean he can play no doubt. He walked the crowd and my wife got serenaded by him.......I was not concerned, I mean he is about 1.5M tall...with heels!
 
The opening act was Norman Brown...who I enjoyed very much, guitarist along the lines of George Benson.
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I look at 'smooth' like this........a lot of people are scared of 'Jazz'. If it is easy to listen to and accessable, then maybe it will lead the occassional bod to listen a bit more and try something a little more involved.

It'snot for me, but some of my Lee Ritenour and Dave Grusin stuff comes pretty close. 
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Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

It is also great for elevators and shops
Yes, I'm not a fan of smooth jazz, because it can be elevator or supermarket music.... I don't even consider it good mood music either... Of course I'm speaking in general terms and broadbrushing here.
 
 
 
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Crunchy for me, like a bit of bounce myself. There is always a speed hump and a pothole with me TongueMusicianship is important but I like them having a go as well with the quicker,harder and louder making it better. Sax manViolinHead on wall
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I understand the appeal of smooth jazz and I respect the musitians who can be great, but I personally like jazz for the danger... without the rough edges it cannot hold my attention.
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I don't like smooth whiskey and I don't like smooth jazz.
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It is also great for elevators and shops
I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ...
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