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Moshkiae ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2024 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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Hi, Nice seeing you here ... The whole concert thing, is probably going to wind down for most players, and I think that many bands are going to suffer, until such a time as the streaming side of a concert becomes useful and efficient. Folks seem to be worried that it will get copied senseless and fake released somewhere else, but there is enough code artistry to prevent a lot of this and a person with a "ticket" which includes a password, can watch things and not worry about anything else ... however, one issue here is very important ... the artist has to make the music available to the audience, even if it were from two or three shows, so those that paid for the experience, can remind themselves of its work and beauty. I think that the fear comes from the owners of the studios that own most of the streaming platforms and then make it look like bands are being robbed, when in essence they are the ones doing the most abuse of the money they take in ... and we continue to be afraid of the future ... I guess expecting a second or third coming (music by NM of course!!!) is way better than expecting to see a private show by a band. But you can take a look at how Robert Fripp and King Crimson haven't exactly been taken advantage of, and he gives the fans the ability to purchase these shows ... there are many shows with the three drummers available, and you don't need to "steal" one with a stream ... and not have the quality and so on. Spiritual or not, for me, is not an issue ... the whole caboodle of music is ... and how it is treated, but it feels like to me that we are in a bad stage version of Godot ... yet again! And Estragon is still looking for his colored sox and shoes for us to get a laugh! Or cry!!!! I'm betting that local bands, adn small bar-sized bands, are the only ones that will spend more time touring and getting better known ... but the real issue is any band trying to get past that hump into an area with 100k sales, or more ... and that's where things will have to happen to help them ... but the Rolling Stones trying to charge so much for a show? And a record company thinking that they can make some money like that? .... maybe we should take a look at how many acts were cancelled in Las Vegas (for a start!!!) so we know that tickets didn't sell a whole lot ... the list is insane and too much ... and I, personally, find it sad! I don't know that I would consider many of those folks not good performers or worth seeing, but the shows cancelled tells another story ... no longer a preferred name or music! And some folks are tired of the same old crap, I bet!
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Sean Trane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 791 |
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TBH, I think that the LDN (London) scene seems to be in a rut of sorts of late. New albums gave been rarer than 10 years ago, and those that do come out are not nearly as good (IMHO, of course). Ezra Collective's latest album is downright weak, for ex. As if the main actor's are moving on to other things (maybe raising families or sumthin'), international tours are getting rarer, fans numbers waning (younger fans' deficit/shorter attention span). Or maybe, is it me that lost interest (or not detecting many new releases) or the neo-spiritual jazz wave is certainly riding its crest anymore? I'm still following the Manchester scene (GoGo Penguin, Mat Halsall, etc....), but it also seems that it is past its peak as well.
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 30370 |
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from bandcamp:
It doesn’t take a genius to work out why spiritual jazz is on the rise again. After all, it was music that first arose during an era of global tumult, an amplification of Black artistry and expression at a time of fierce struggle to be seen and heard. It put an emphasis on uncompromising intellectual exploration and a search for meaning at a time when the ubiquity of mass media and pop culture seemed to be flattening those very things out. Above all, it was about flesh-and-blood community—the kind of connection that can only take place when like minds that are tuned into the same ideas and ethos are interacting in the same room. Spiritual jazz was always an approach, not a sound—and even that approach was multifarious. It could—and can—be either dreamy and meditative or a free torrent of cacophony. It has always been broad in reach, incorporating European, Asian, African, and Latin American instruments and methods. It can include poetry, drama, costume, ritual, and more, and its “spirituality” could lean heavily to Hindu, Christian, Yoruba, or countless other traditions. It can be a vehicle for deep profundity, complete tomfoolery, or both at once. more here: http://daily.bandcamp.com/lists/new-spiritual-jazz-album-guide Edited by snobb - 02 Feb 2025 at 8:31am |
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Moshkiae ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Dec 2024 Location: Grok City Status: Offline Points: 151 |
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Hi,
I enjoy and have listened to a lot of "spiritual" stuff that was either experimental, or something else. However, there is a serious issue here ... way too many folks will create a cover for the album with this and that, or name the pieces with this or that, and folks will think it is "spiritual", and there is nothing in the music that suggests this, though in rock music, LYRICS, supposedly tell you what it all means ... one of the grand illusions of rock music, since all of us see different things, and interpret them differently ... but rock music loves its idealistic everything! To me, a lot of "serious music" is very spiritual, and I am not a fan of the rock song thing with lyrics to convince you that they are about this or that ... a fake proposition that you would know and understand if you had spent time on a stage and were aware of the Friday Night audiences, or the Saturday Night audiences, or the Sunday Matinee audiences! I think a lot of people undertook to mention, or play, for their spiritual inspiration, and I tend to think that in many ways, this is illusory, because it could be anyone's name on any other piece, or person, and we would think it was fine, and was "spiritual" .... In some ways, jazz, for me, is much more spiritual, since it relies on the music itself, rather than lyrics to tell you that you can not interpret music and have to be told what it is about!
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35859 |
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The return of 'spiritual jazz' was a surprise to me, I always thought that was entirely a 60s-70s sort of thing, but its good it made a comeback and even better that today's young people get into it.
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wideopenears ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 27 Apr 2011 Status: Offline Points: 27 |
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I think it's a relatively recent term for artists influenced by the late 60's / early 70's Free Jazz from John and Alice Coltrane and others. I think I first heard it used to refer to Kamesi and some of the West Coast Get Down scene... I find stuff often labelled "Kozmigroov" to be up this particular alley, as well.
I dig it.
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Rexorcist ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2024 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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I just got through the first two Pyramids albums. I need some
afro-jazz in the mix, and I've only heard one other album of it so far. Now I'm starting the 2020 album Shaman.
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fethiye ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 26 Jan 2024 Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Thanks for information
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35859 |
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Don't forget Duke Ellington who probably wrote more Christian jazz pieces than anyone. |
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Drumolator ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() Joined: 22 Feb 2017 Location: Louisiana Status: Offline Points: 18 |
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Since I am a Christian, I mostly only listen to jazz made by Christians. These include Joey DeFrancesco, Brian Blade, Jimmy Greene, McCoy Tyner, Cyrus Chestnut, Kenny Garrett, and Eric Reed. Peace and goodwill.
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35859 |
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Thats probably an album that has not come out yet, but has been announced. He doesn't exactly play spiritual jazz, but you can hear the influence on some tracks.
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Rexorcist ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2024 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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I'm gonna get through the EP's of Maisha before heading off to Willie Morris. I posted a short review of that Maisha album, though. Thanks for telling me about them. Btw, I noticed that Willie has a second album for this year on JMA, "Attentive Listening," but I can't find any other source for it. Is it an upcoming album?
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 30370 |
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or this?
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 30370 |
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let say this |
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35859 |
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This fairly recent album by Willie Morris has a spiritual jazz influence:
https://williemorrisjazz.bandcamp.com/album/conversation-starter Edited by js - 15 Jan 2024 at 4:36pm |
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Rexorcist ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2024 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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Then I need to get to some spiritual stuff from the last ten years. Thanks for letting me know.
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snobb ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site Admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Vilnius Status: Offline Points: 30370 |
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neo-spiritual jazz had it's popularity peak in London few years ago, and is still really popular around UK
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Rexorcist ![]() Forum Newbie ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2024 Status: Offline Points: 28 |
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The fact that no one has posted here for six years is depressing. I'm currently on a spiritual jazz kick, notably working through a bunch of Pharoah Sanders and a little McCoy Tyner on the side. Karma is currently my number 1 spiritual album.
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Sean Trane ![]() Forum Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Apr 2011 Location: Brussels Status: Offline Points: 791 |
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that's what I thought, thanks
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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js ![]() Forum Admin Group ![]() ![]() Site admin Joined: 22 Dec 2010 Location: Memphis Status: Offline Points: 35859 |
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I think I first started hearing that term about 10 or 15 years ago, and I was listening to that kind of music since about 40 years ago.
Judging from the magazines I read from both the UK and US, I think the term is more popular in the UK, but US publications will use the term sometimes too.
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