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Dick Heath
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before jazz rock appeared as the main term for jazz fused with rock, a lot of rock with jazz-based solos was labelled in the UK music press as rock-jazz (beit for a short period). Amongst those listed included BST, Chicago, Timebox and even Colosseum. Indeed listen to a major developmental period for rock in 1970, and there was a lot of examples of bands experimenting with allsorts of music before settling on what they became familiar for. For instance Patto's first two album had Ollie Hassall playing jazz solo breaks - especially when playing the vibes; the second (the Irish originals) Skid Row album 34 hours had some jazz guitar solos by Gary Moore and that other Irish spin-off out of Taste, Stud, had a couple of jazz-based instumentals tucked away amongst the straighter rock of their eponymous album. |
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Logan
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Then I was agreeing with you. |
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"Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus).
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darkshade
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That's what I was saying |
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Logan
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I would call Heavy Weather poppy, not I Sing the Body Electric. It was a good album for you to mention here for its pop jazz-rock sensibilities. |
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darkshade
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but you wouldn't call it poppy... |
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Logan
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Yep, Heavy Weather should appeal to many of those into jazz pop; whereas, I would say that I Sing the Body Electric and the debut would be more likely to appeal to more adventurous people who enjoy progressive music.
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Sean Trane
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certainly will, thanks Welcome BTW!!
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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Matt
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Chicago here. "Oooooohh now, Baby Please don't go"
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darkshade
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^ yes, hip-hop artists sample from anything, there is no limit from what Ive heard. Rock, bluegrass. But funk and soul take the cake.
Anyway, pop jazz for the prog rock fan.... Have you heard Weather Report - "Heavy Weather"? |
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Logan
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I can say the same for a little of the jazz, funk, beat, groove, exotica music I listen to. I've been amazed at finding out how much of what I do listen to has been sampled by hip-hoppers.
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"Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus).
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js
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Those top two cuts are a treasure trove of popular hip-hop samples, couldn't believe how many familiar riffs and melodies there are.
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Logan
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He played different types of jazz. From avant-garde jazz in the 60s with two albums, to progressive jazz-rock/funk, to smooth jazz/ pop....Check out his '63 and '65 albums if you ever get the chance -- very good.
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Thanks, just fixed the tag on that one, I knew there were some really good early Bob James records out there, I just can't remember which ones. He's a great keyboardist, but in the late 70s his name became synonymous with the most commercial jazz.
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Logan
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I love Bob James, and think that's a very good track and gets my vote. My favourite album of his One, which I think a great progressive JRF album. The Chicago one is my least liked -- never really liked the band in any incarnation.
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Sean Trane
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have you heard Chicago 7??
it's a double album (like their first three), but you'd have a hard time recognizing the first disc as Chicago.... They're pure JR/F on this one, some where betwenn Santana and early Weather Report (and I love it)... The second disc is normal mid-peroid Chicago like 5 or 8 Edited by Sean Trane - 26 Aug 2011 at 3:38am |
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my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones....
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^Welcome to the site. Yes. I think that the music character of Chicago is almost consolidated in an initial album. I will enumerate 5, (8), and 11 as a personal favorite. |
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criticdrummer94
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Chicago. Their first album is Genius
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Cannonball With Hat
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Bob James has his moments, but at least from what I heard no 'progressive' to be found, thus little interest for the prog fan imo. Don't know this SG, so can't really comment. I'm left to say Chicago. Though they are certainly the most rock (and less pop, at least their early stuff, which is what I'm assuming is being talked about here) so for a prog-rock fan that may be a plus.
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Hit it on Five.
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Kazuhiro
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It is very significant for me to hear everyone's opinion. Thank you. Anyway, I often listened and was researching pop jazz. Steely Dan that Alex referred might be a good example. For Aja especially Or, I did not put it on the list though I thought about "Seven Days" of Sting. I expected the vote to gather in Chicago a little of course. Postscript Thank you for recommending Gino Vannelli, Rollie
I will check it at once. I felt it very wonderful. |
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I actually voted for Bob because of the arrangement, though 'Chicago' overall might be better for the prog fan
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