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Prog Geo 
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 Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 2:26pm |
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Thanks Mike!
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Sean Trane
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 2:58am |
Definitely an all-star band
 .5 out of 5The half-star is for the piano... Bud Powell is not as big a name in piano as his bandmates are in their own respective instruments, though.
Is that Massey Hall (one of my fave venues anywhere in the world) concert the only thing they did together??
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 6:50am |
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^ Bud Powell not a big name, since when?
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 7:20am |
compared to whom
 ?? Monk, Tatum, Ellington, Basie, Brubeck, Bill Evans , Hank Jones, etc... (just to mention the pre-60's ones that recorded under their own names)Don't get me wrong, I didn't say the man was a dwarf either... just that next to Dizzy, Mingus, Roach and Bird, Powell's own star shines a little less (at least to moi)... that's all I meant!
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 7:30am |
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Bud Powell invented modern jazz piano, open 7ths in the left hand, horn like lines in the right. This is how pianists have played jazz since he introduced this style, and this is the style they play to this day.
Any jazz piano player will tell you, he is probably the most influential pianist of all. |
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 8:06am |
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Well although I've been subjected to jazz since around 5 (my father had around 200 vinyls from the 40's & 50's >> he was not really a 60's man), and I've listened to jazz since roughly 1985 (say 23-years old), I only became aware of powell's name in the late 90's, whe,n all of the other four names were household names (mine anyway) by the time I was 10 to 15..
I never claimed to make a judgment of value... I speak through my own experience and déjà-vécu...
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 8:11am |
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As a professional jazz pianist and teacher of jazz theory. I can assure you he is still probably the most influential pianist in modern jazz.
After Powell you get the quartal harmonies of McCoy Tyner. Herbie and Bill Evans take that and add the 9th chord and altered chord sounds of the French composers. Monk gets a bit AG with it and then Sun Ra and Cecil Taylor take that higher. These days, modern jazz piano players have become very eclectic and some will pull from sources earlier than Powell. Before Powell came along, Art Tatum was probably the most influential, and he is still an influence too.
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 9:35am |
OK, got your drift
 ...It was not my point anyway. All i was saying is that in terms of public popularity, Powell doesn't spring up as instantly as his four colleagues in that band, and even compared to the pianists I cited in my second intervention ...
Back to Bird, now....
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 10:43am |
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^ I don't agree with that either, but whatever, it is supposed to be a thread about Bird.
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 11:29am |
We never do about much , uh??
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Posted: 23 Jun 2011 at 1:22pm |
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That "Live at Massey Hall" is, I believe; the only known recorded album of that lineup.
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Posted: 24 Jun 2011 at 6:44pm |
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Here is something for the true Bird lover..........The Complete Benedetti Recordings of Charlie Parker
 Just his solos over two weeks with some added stuff from 1947. That is all he recorded not a complete number in sight just Bird solo after Bird solo.
You will not be judged a true fan unless
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Posted: 30 Jun 2011 at 11:52pm |
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^ I'm not crazy about the collections that only have his solos instead of the whole song, but get this, I just came back from a record store that had a couple of those "Charlie Parker on Dial" collections. I bought "Volume 6" which has a very young Miles on trumpet playing the be-bop.
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Posted: 05 Jul 2011 at 10:52am |
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I want to put in another word for Jazz at Massey Hall being a killer live album, for sure. The one thing I will say is it gets flak for Mingus redubbing the bass lines in. That's the only version I have though, so I can't really compare, but it does seem to me to be a bit of a bizarre thing to do, but I guess they did things differently back then.
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Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 4:32pm |
You know there is only actually four tracks with Parker on that one. 11 listed but all the others are alts or false starts. Still good though. Parker sounds great. The other stuff is with a vocalist Rubber Legs Williams. Like to add, no nothing about Rubber Legs. Only ever heard him on that album, never looked though either. Who was Rubber legs Williams?  I will look at him in the near future. With a name like that, maybe he was an absolute boozer
I ordered some Parker myself due to this thread and I went for
 Would have liked the JSP set because it had the lot of Savoy and Dial but Out of Print and pay for a JSP set what they are asking
 They are dreamin" those sellers. Anyway this seems to have all the biggies that I know and a plenty I don't. I always found him so smooth, by that I mean with his changes etc. fluid might be a better term. About a month off though, with who I bought it through, cheap but I reckon they use row boat not airmail |
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Posted: 06 Jul 2011 at 5:04pm |
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I've never heard of Rubber Legs, but I already like him.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 9:25am |
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Interesting that you guys are talking about CP. I'm in the process of re-watching Clint Eastwood's somber "Bird" over several nights (haven't seen it in ages) and it really points out what a troubled man he was who, despite his addictions and bad habits, made some incredible music that will live forever.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 3:21pm |
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Lots of people keep mentioning that movie, Bird. I've never heard of it till now. So you guys suggest checking it out?
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There is no god, but music is pretty cool.
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Posted: 07 Jul 2011 at 4:31pm |
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Awesome movie..........directed by Clint Eastwood, Forest Whitaker is Bird. I nearly watched it myself ( again) just the other night. I really don't believe anyone else could have done as good a job as Clint Eastwood being into Jazz the way he is. The film was released in 1988........23 years ago
 ........can't believe its that long back.
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Posted: 10 Jul 2011 at 8:16pm |
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I'll try to check it out. I didn't realize Clint Eastwood was into jazz either. Shows what I know.
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There is no god, but music is pretty cool.
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