The Jazz Chrysalis

Later when jazz musicians moved north, they didn't march but sat and played, the rest is history.

All the same, improv was in music way before jazz.

Did somebody invent it, no way.

On the jazz side you have Larry Coryell, Tony Williams, Miles etc 

On the rock side you have Cream and Hendrix

In Britian you have people in between like McLaughlin, Soft Machine Brian Auger etc

I'm sure there are people who will argue about who was the first jazz rocker, or the first be-bopper etc and I am sure soeone would point out who is missing from the above mentioned names.

When those musicians moved north what we now call dixieland developed, basically similar to original new orleans jazz but now they are seated so you could include a drum set and a piano player and replace the tuba with a string bass. From there you get jazz.

I'm sure other types of improvisation came in as things rolled along, gypsy music for instance or later Indian music.

QUOTE=Atavachron]Well I certainly agree improvisation has always been a big part of all music, but that being the case, then what would distinguish the development of jazz as jazz (other than an American art form) ?


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js wrote: Smack?     ..oh yeah, smack.  Thats probably how you got bop, cool, hard bop, post bop, avant-garde and lots of fusion too, basically a lot of modern jazz. Possibly part of the nu jazz scene too, I don't know.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I would have loved to have the wagons the bands that they all piled on to and go around town playing. They do it on trucks now, well Kermit Ruffins still does. Would have also loveed to have seen the old Dancehalls or bars where they played. I can tell you one thing, they did not sit around politely clapping like today which I find pretentious personally, if people start jumping around and yellin' for the band watch the band play better and the night will be great fun. Isn't that was Jazz is all about or music for that matter.  Buddy Bolden was the man they all said that his trumpet rang around New Orleans, bloody sad by the time they recorded him he had lost his teeth  Not much chop for a trumpet....no teeth

 

 

I guess you've heard Buddy Rich's famous diatribes against his players who would move to close to the mic, ouch.