Frank Zappa - Roxy & Elsewhere

i noticed this live album is missing from FZ's discography. Probably his best jazz-rock album.

also, is there a way to change an album's genre label? (Besides Zappa, i noticed a bunch of albums are mis-labeled (whether in my opinion or general acceptance)) or does it have to be approved?

Most of FZ's albums are listed as Jazz Related Rock, with Waka Jawaka and The Grand Wazoo the only ones listed as Classic Fusion

i would say that these albums should be changed to Classic Fusion

Hot Rats (1969)
One Size Fits All (1975)
Make A Jazz Noise Here (1991) (this could also fall under avant-garde jazz)
Imaginary Diseases (2006)
Wazoo (2007)
One Shot Deal (2008)

there are jazz moments sprinkled throughout most of his discography, but i think those are the ones that should be changed. Maybe Zappa New York and Lather too, but they're more like half and half...

First of all, thanks  a lot for jumping in and helping out.

OK, you win, I'll move Make a Jazz Noise also. It seemed like a borderline case anyway.

js wrote: I still think of 'Roxy and Elsewhere' as a JR Rock album, but since you went through the work of adding it and its been a while since I listened to it, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. I'll have to check it out again someday. Our Classic Fusion section is pretty pure with the jazz, its all Tony Williams, Chick Corea, etc. Its nothing like the fusion section at PA, which has a lot of jazzy rock records that wouldn't belong in our Classic Fusion section.

I re-listened Roxy... today just because of this discussion  (I didn't listen it for years), and I found there more or less what I expected to find: Zappa's early years (and Mothers..) Rock Circus. Eclectic mix of blues-rock, heavy funk ,jazz-rock and theatrics/cabaret. Possibly main difference with studio albums is there are longer versions of the same songs presented, with plenty of instrumental jamming. Even if part of it is obviously jazz-rock (especially George Duke and brass soloing), album in whole hardly sounds as jazz fusion concert , isn't it? Too noisy, too much shredding and jamming, plenty of blues/rock and just some jazz-rock moments. Evaluating song-by-song it would be possibly to find some jazz-rock compositions, but as whole album IMO it could be hardly tagged as jazz fusion album . Just my opinion 

Edited by snobb - 11 Mar 2011 at 1:26am

snobb wrote: I re-listed Roxy... today just because of this discussion  (I didn't listen it for years), and I found there more or less what I expected to find: Zappa's early years (and Mothers..) Rock Circus. Eclectic mix of blues-rock, heavy funk ,jazz-rock and theatrics/cabaret. Possibly main difference with studio albums is there are longer versions of the same songs presented, with plenty of instrumental jamming. Even if part of it is obviously jazz-rock (especially George Duke and brass soloing), album in whole hardly sounds as jazz fusion concert , isn't it? Too noisy, too much shredding and jamming, plenty of blues/rock and just some jazz-rock moments. Evaluating song-by-song it would be possibly to find some jazz-rock compositions, but as whole album IMO it could be hardly tagged as jazz fusion album . Just my opinion

years huh? how was it otherwise?

i had a similar situation with The Grand Wazoo (listened to it today for the first time in about 3 years)


Edited by darkshade - 10 Mar 2011 at 9:35pm

like Jazz From Hell?