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Topic: Top Afro Cuban Samples
Posted By: Matt
Subject: Top Afro Cuban Samples
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2012 at 9:13pm
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This will not hurt, it does not corrupt you and you sure won't land up in Hell listening to it. I have been playing Salsa, Son, Latin Jazz since I arrived even at PA. Nobody seems to notice except John and I can't understand why because there is some fab yeah, Rockin' and Jazzin' stuff.
Anyway I am going to leave just four tabs if you would like to listen to them. They come highly recommended.
1. Larry Harlow's, "La Cartera" this baby rocks, this is one of the songs that got me hooked on Salsa. From Larry's "Salsa" album.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHDUWfwQXKc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHDUWfwQXKc
2. Markolino Dimond........these two are from his 'Brujeria" album ( also released under Angel Canales' name as "Mas Sabor" later). They knew it was good but nobody really picked up on it back then.That's why the re-release.
Title number "Brujeria". listen to the groove underpin from this blokes piano on this, not to mention the solo plus the trombone and trumpet kick in
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWn0xR6m2m4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jWn0xR6m2m4
and another from Markalino from the same album. This is the one where mid-song he inserts "three blind mice' into his piano solo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O9U-mkw1uI" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_O9U-mkw1uI
Wonderful stuff. He was a hopeless junkie and what a damn waste. Killed him in the end.
3. Last but not least, one most will already know but this from the originator himself Tito Puente and it is of course "Oy Como Va"
This one is Live from 1993............it's gotta be Live
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_XxBKG53g" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj_XxBKG53g
No better man for a whacking a timbale than Tito.
Hope you enjoy and if you want some more cherrys from the sixties and seventies in Afro Cuban. I will glady put more up.
------------- Matt |
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2012 at 9:49pm
Thank you for sharing a video. I enjoyed these samples. Still, I cannot follow the overwhelming knowledge that Matt has. Please approve it. When a documentary film of Buena Vista Social Club was shown before in Japan, Afro/Cuban slightly became the topic. However, it was a temporary topic. However, I liked Afro/Cuban music before. I put my favorite here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sMjp9rM9s8&feature=fvsr" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4sMjp9rM9s8&feature=fvsr
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1TvtB0GoQ0" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1TvtB0GoQ0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbvqWhVVe08&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbvqWhVVe08&feature=related |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 12:21am
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Sounds great Matt, I love that stuff. Some of my favorites include Tito, Eddie Palmieri, Mongo and Ray Baretto. I like that classic style you go for, that's my favorite too. That era of Afro-Cuban goes well with dub reggae from that same era, there is a similarity.
Kazu's second link (Irakere) had some funky exotica flavor with the early analog synth. |
Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 12:35am
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Yes. I like music of Mongo Santamaria, too. And I was really taught Perez Prado by my father at time of the childhood. And the video of Tito Puente which Matt put was wonderful. I enjoyed it in comparison with Santana version immediately. |
Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 2:43am
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Great music! ------------- I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ... Ken Burns |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 3:17pm
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Glad you all liked them. I will put a few more today or tomorrow.
I much prefer Tito's original version of "Oy Como Va" these days, Kazuhiro but still look forward to hearing Santana's when I play the album. I loved Santana's early albums. The first two,
Ray Barretto rules, what else can you say, he was fabulous and having a real hard Jazz leaning what more could you want. I love Eddie Palmieri, John but his brother Charlie just a little more. Alegre Allstars, he was the main man behind those four great (you could say Jam) early albums.( 1961 to 1966) They just recorded them Live ( in studio) with just one take most of the time.. They still have not re-released them
 There is a comp out there with a lot of the material but it ain't the same as the having the albums. "Lost And Found" is my favourite.Thanks Idlero, hope you enjoyed. I will put up some Ray and Allegre All Stars in the next lot with some great modern Charanga from Tipica 73 with Afredo De La Fe's electric violin in the mix. See if I can find some Cheo Marquetti as well from the fifties (Cuban). He nailed the modern sound by adding that sleaze factor to his music. If not there is a fabulous take from Henry Fiol of one of Cheo's classic numbers off one of Henry's, Sar albums in the seventies. ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 3:50pm
Yes, keep posting more, this could be a good ongoing thread. 
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 6:26pm
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Here are some more
First up, Alegre All-Stars Vol 3 "Lost And Found this is off. "Kako Y Palmieri" ....descarga with Jazz all over it. Charlie and Kako solo of course. Fabulous
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx8SMDxLzuQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx8SMDxLzuQ
You should hear this little driver of a guajira named of course "Guajira In "F", follows straight after the above descarga. Charlie plays one wicked little Latin style piano solo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiXa_kaSCeU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiXa_kaSCeU
Next, Henry Fiol's classic take of the Cheo Marquetti tune "Oriente".........Hear the Cuban influence that Alfredo Valdes ( main man) inserted into his Sar label.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl7Wb8OanuM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bl7Wb8OanuM
------------- Matt |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2012 at 9:29pm
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I'll check some of this out for sure, just give me a while, I'm pretty slow of late hahaha
------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2012 at 6:21pm
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Charley Palmieri sounds great as usual, but I believe your third sample is the same as the second one. Good examples of style differences there, post some more, this thread could make a good reference.
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 9:07pm
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js wrote:Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 9:33pm
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Okay this treat is Ray Barretto. Not you can't say much about Ray except he has done practically the lot before he passed away 6 years ago. I love his pre-eighties material the best with the slamming Salsa and Jazz all over it. Ray did even Jazz albums which was where he was more so at the end but the early stuff is a lot more slamming,wild and full on. Just how I like my Latin music.
Ray often pops up on those old Blue Note releases as a sideman with I suppose the most well known album being Kenny Burrell's, "Midnight Blue". Not Bad hey!
Ray also got stuck into the Boogaloo but this one below is almost psychedelic and not Bogaloo but all great Afro Cuban Jazz..............."Acid"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmxXw2aFbo" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOmxXw2aFbo
This one has that beautiful seventies feel with the string addition. Roberto Roena's number ten album "El Progreso". He did a similar Chicago thing by numbering his albums.
Title track "El Progreso"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y389tuzppJY" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y389tuzppJY
I have been known to play this five times in a row. Fabulously presented and crafted. Listen to the timbale slam which only happens a few times just before the chorus. It is those little things that are all added to make this one cracker of a song which always keeps you hearing something new. It even has wah ,wah guitar under riding it at times. Particulary near the end. As I said fabulous with the absolutely included.
------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 9:41pm
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I love "Acid" its on many of my mix tapes. I need to get the full CD, I'm a little short right now, but maybe in a few months. I have an idea, if you want, post some basic sons so we can start this at the roots and get an understanding of where this all starts. Then work our way up from there.
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 10:27pm
 . Surely I can find some Beny More though or Chano Pozo.
"The Buena Vista Social Club" is one superb cover of many a great Cuban number. When I bought the album with the first Afro Cuban All Stars release (as they were released together) I loved them. They kinda slaughtered the album for me though with it's popularity and they day I heard it described as Dinner Table Music  ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 28 Jun 2012 at 10:32pm
| Reminds me of the 80s. Before there was smooth jazz, there was "Dinner Jazz". |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 4:40pm
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Chano Pozo's "Blen Blen Blen". (1939) Does not get anymore classic than this for Cuban music.
Miguelito Valdes, vocals
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRiKN0SZvoQ" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRiKN0SZvoQ
Listen to that old sound
 Now this one was a smash hit for Lucille Ball's hubbie, Desi Arnez but it was Miguelito Valdes who actually made it his signature song. Recorded a few versions with the first being Casino De La Playa ( 1937 to 44 in that time span) and it was fairly formal but with each new version to follow things started to loosen up as with this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdgBokynDEc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdgBokynDEc
Beny More often termed as the greatest sonero to hail from Cuba and with good reason. he personifies the island with its culture and music. He did a lot of Mexican films which most likely is the source for so many of his available music clips, just like this one going up.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYmsJgYsvN4" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYmsJgYsvN4
"Ya Son Las Doce"
Would have been filmed around the mid to late fities in Mexico
None of this music is post 1960. All came before with Beny being the most modern of them.
------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 4:51pm
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" Blen Blen Blen" is just incredible, I know this one well, that sound is something else. All three of these examples had a lot of jazz, were these sons before Dizzy's work with Chano, or after?
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 5:09pm
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 5:24pm
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That's interesting. I think the musicologists over play Dizzy's contributions. The Cubans were already playing jazz, he just picked up on what was already there. All those mixolydian (major key with flat 7) type riffs in songs like Blen Blen will show up later in Jamaican ska/rock steady music. I love that connection between those two musics. I know you can hear it, its the sound of the island culture.
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 5:50pm
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Another great thing is how the African music first infiltrated Cuba during the slave period and mixed with Spanish but was then taken back to Africa in the forties till now and mixed with their music which brings us to a lot of contempary styles of African music. I am off to the footy soon but will start a thread if you like on the various genres and sub genres of African, Carribean, and Latin. You just don't realise how many there are.
Will also do a breakdown which will take a little time on the Son sub genres, Bolero. Guajira, Pregon, Afro Cubana, Son and the list goes on. How to pick them and with examples.
You realise John that nobody here at home talks to me much about music. They reckon I can be a crashing bore
See you tomorrow ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 6:10pm
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Yeah, lets break down the son sub genres and talk about the claves. I hear Blen Blen going tick ..tick ..tick ..tick tick. But I couldn't tell what was happening in the others.
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 4:23pm
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"Blen, Blen " is rumba/afro. The claves were originally the sailing ship pegs that they used for percussion as it was illegal to play hand drums in Cuba up till the mid sixties. I think the colonists there thought that all the slaves would revert to savagery and eat the lot of em' "Cuba and It's Music" by Ned Sublette ( Thread under books on site) is a wealth of info on Afro Cuban. The majority of the material that I know came from that book with also the notes on the Tumbao Cuban Classics label. I have them all right up to Cat no. 117......yep a hundred and seventeen discs plus their Chano Set, Beny More, Arsenio Rodriguez and Sexteto Habanero who became Septeto when they added another. (First recorded examples of Son between 1924 and 27).
I will start a thread on Latin particulary Afro Cuban sub genres but will need to prep it here for a day ot two before posting as it could become a mess if I start doing with posts. Once it is up it is hard to re-adjust if something is missed or incorrect ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 4:31pm
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Sounds good Matt, I'll check it out. Right now I'm listening to a bunch of Afro-Pop I recorded off the radio in SF back in the 80s, wonderful stuff. The radio shows out there were the best. |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 4:39pm
 That is where I got my first copy of Franco's "Mario" ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 8:31pm
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Todays music additions
First up the great Cuban tres player who was actually blind after being kicked in the face by a mule as a child being Arsenio Rodriguez and his songs are still performed today in contempary manners by many a Latin musician.
Arsenio though was the man who ushered in the great Cuban format of "The Conjunto" during the mid to late forties. Previous to that it was either an Orchestra or duos and trios. Where as you may question Sexteto Habenero they did not use the instruments that are within a conjunto being guitar,tres and percussion primarily. A Conjunto consists of Congas, bongos or perhaps timbales today, piano, trumpet or trumpets, tres, guitar, bass and vocalists.
This man is the real deal and one of the greatest musicians. One may laugh at the comparison but he is the Cuban Hank Williams and recognised as such within the Latin community.
One other note another thing that does have similarities is Bluegrass started in a similar manner in the late forties from duos etc to till Bill Monroes construction of a typical Bluegrass band but today it is Cuban Conjuntos
This track is "Dundunbanza" recorded in Cuba 1/12/1949
A superb young "Chocolate" Armenteros is on trumpet in the conjunto who is all over many of the Sar recordings in the seventies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddKqtbqAAEw" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddKqtbqAAEw
------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 8:51pm
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This one of Machito ( Frank Grillo) and His Afro Cubans is none other than the Mario Bauza composition "Tanga" recorded 14/11/1950 with another recorded in November the following year at Birdland.
Mario Bauza ( trumpet) was Machito's right hand man and worked with him to near the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEgMsEKICqc" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FEgMsEKICqc ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 8:59pm
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Next is Miguel Matamoros with song recorded early days as Trio Matamoros and it his first take of his famous song "Lagrimas Negras" which he composed himself and sang as well as played guitar within the trio. The other two members being Siro Rodriguez ( 2nd voice and guitar) and Rafael Cueto ( guitar and choir...backing vocal)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-HNOcWWzLg" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B-HNOcWWzLg
------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 12:53pm
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I really liked those first two, definitely recognize that sound. Those two also use the mixolydian scale mentioned earlier common to early reggae and African rhumbas etc. For those who may not know the term, the mixolydian mode usually involves a repeating chord progression in which the root chord goes to the chord a whole step below and back and forth. A real common example is the repeating chords that open the famous hit "Tequila". On "Dundunbanza" it was G to F, a favorite reggae "riddim", often called "Stagalog" in Jamaica. On "Tanga" it was C to Bb. Hey Matt, "Lugrianas negras" is in a totally different style than the other two, what style is it, and what style are the other two?
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 3:07pm
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 3:09pm
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 3:16pm
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 3:30pm
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I will be listing the definitions for the rythmn and lyrics in another thread soon. I will admit I have not started ( a little last night) but just starting to organise but if I know as the samples come up I will list what they are. As the music becomes more contempary it gets a lot harder and actually impossible to list many as they are a mix at times of many or Western influence's permeate.
One other note it is not just the timing or construction but it is the lyrical content which picks what they as in a "Pregon" which is actually named after street sellers crys to sell or an announcement and usually has a Son or Guaracha structure for the rythmn.
Talking about Pregon's, this one is the great Antonio Machin doing the most famous of them all
"El Manisero" ( The Peanut Vendor). this one is is live but I have no idea where from but the original was recorded 1930 in New York. Could even be Spain because that is where he finished up at the end.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6khgW2tn8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp6khgW2tn8
------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 3:38pm
 well maybe ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 5:03pm
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This one is a Guaracha and there is no better person to sing them than the great Celia Cruz and great really is an understatement for Celia, she could sing with one fabulous powerful voice, but here it is early days and this recording was done in Cuba betweeen 1951 to 53 with La Sonora Matancera.
Celia's music is not for sale in Cuba due to political rubbish.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3nv3W2Ymsg&feature=related" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3nv3W2Ymsg&feature=related ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 5:20pm
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Perez Prado was the man who came up with 'The Mambo" He originally replaced Anselmo Sacasas on piano in the early forties in Casino De la Playa. He hit the rythmn by doodling on the piano so the story goes but there were many late night Jam sessions with the band.
Perez's own words "Keep it clean a and punchy, with shouting brass and diamond bright percussion" and another term he used was "The Mambo was Afro-Cuban rhythmns with a dash of American Swing"
Mambo No. 5 originally recorded in Cuba between 1947 and 1949. This one is a little bit later but still very close
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOuRWkLP-dA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOuRWkLP-dA ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 5:35pm
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Next is the "Cha Cha Cha' with this being the first actually recorded in Cuba 1953. Ninon Mondejar was the leader of Orquesta America and actually The Cha Cha Cha is from a Danzon formula with a rythmn change and boy did it take off. The Cha Cha Cha is known as classic Latin music today as soon as the sound is heard. The video lists it as a Charanga which is what the orquestra played previously with a more French leaning but this is Cha Cha Cha number 1. The actual name of the tune is "La Verde Palma"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2XeoBBAQGU" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2XeoBBAQGU ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 5:37pm
| You go Matt, I'll check all these later, I have young students to deal with now. |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 5:48pm
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2012 at 7:03pm
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Based on the samples provided, I'm guessing that "El Manisero" is based on Guaracha rhythms, not Son. Correct?
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 3:07pm
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 3:23pm
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Does it get anymore older. Recorded music was barely of the ground and here in 1914 with troubadour Maria Teresa Vera, Rafael Zequeira and some guitar help from the composer Manuel Corona who appeared on many of her recordings assisting early days as Rafael Zequeira did not play guitar but only sang vocals. They recorded 193 titles together until he passed away in 1924.
One of her first but not the very first recording from her. That was "Tere" with "Vela" on the old flip. 1914 as well
Trova is the style, you can say it is early Son but this is country/rural Cuban music delivered in that classic accoustic style.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1t_zAxXjs8" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1t_zAxXjs8
------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 3:35pm
| ^ very Spanish, and I think I hear some similarities to the Tango? |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 4:02pm
Another Italian friend told me when they immigrated to Australia the other choice to where they were going was Argentina but she arrived here when she was two. I have known her since I was fourteen as she is my best mates wife. He was similar but came from Malta as a baby and cannot remember his homeland but then again he does not seem that interested when over the years I have asked him about it. More concerned with the footy ------------- Matt |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 4:05pm
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I have to agree, the formal dances are not my thing either, I'm thinking I'm a mambo man
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 4:10pm
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 4:31pm
| congo bongo!!! |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 4:45pm
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I've been reading Ted Gioia's history of jazz and its interesting how Latin and African rhythms intersect throughout history, starting with the North African invasion of Spain and so on. The earliest jazz musicians in New Orleans were supposedly influenced by Mexican calvary band etc. It would seem the Latin and African rhythms are already tangled together long before you get to Afro-Cuban jazz. Afro-Cuban jazz is just more synthesis of previous synthesises
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Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 7:28pm
Havin' a breather and gonna talk to my wife while I whack a jazz album on
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000050I0R/ref=dp_image_0?ie=UTF8&n=5174&s=music" rel="nofollow">  ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Maloso
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2012 at 6:30pm