On from PA
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Topic: On from PA
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Subject: On from PA
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 1:42pm
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Hi, everyone. As some (well, few) of you already know by now, I'm a member of ProgArchives who joined the site a year and three months ago but started actively use it only nine months later. I've learned about JMA and its respective forum from the user The Truth on PA and thought: "Well, that's cool. A very similar jazz forum shaped by PA guys. Strangely, there are too few ratings and reviews for the classic jazz albums. Still, I might use it as a source for enriching my knowledge and improving my understanding of what jazz is all about (albeit I may get different answers)." Just like I started appreciating classical music with Chopin, I hope I will find my guy in jazz, my Chopin in jazz (that is, as the guy who has the same musical approach as Chopin did or, at least, a guy who can pave a path for me to the potential of jazz music). I have heard quite a few jazz-influenced pop- and rock- artists (namely Robert Wyatt, The Mahavishnu Orchestra, The Soft Machine, all of whom I deeply respect for their efforts and triumphs), but for right now I'm interested in the older, more "serious" stuff, the archetypal material. I've heard "In a Silent Way" and "Bi$%hes Brew" [shaking my head] from Davis, a bit from "The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady" from Mingus, some audio clips from Thelonius Monk on YouTube, and "A Love Supreme" from Coltrane, yet I still wonder what the fuss is all about around these records. I haven't stuck my ears out for anything by Ornette Coleman, though. That said, could anyone please recommend me something, something accessible, preferably with piano or maybe even a trumpet (Davis' trumpet sounds really nice; I just wish he made sense to me on it), something that sounds ... hmm ... logical melodically, challenging, but not too challenging? Please, keep in mind, I came here as a pop and rock (and misc., hehe) listener but I really want to expand my experiential horizons and not just listen to jazz-rock. Thank you! Goodbye [sticking out peace signs] ... br-rr-rr-rr-rr-rr. P.S. Oh, btw, what would you recommend by Thelonius Monk? I see he's got a lot of albums that got only very few ratings, between 2 and 7 or something like that. I know "Brilliant Corners" is one of the items in this book "1001 Albums You Must Hear Before You Die", so I heard a few seconds from it and just stupidly deleted it. Is there a classic album (widely acknowledged) from him that needs a listen? Thank you.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 2:08pm
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I think some good melodic starter jazz albums might include: "Kind of Blue" by Miles Davis, this is often a good starter record for new fans. Albums by Bill Evans or Dave Brubeck might be a good place to start too.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 2:36pm
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^ Yeah, I forgot to mention "Kind of Blue". I've heard that one almost twice in its entirety and wasn't impressed on any of those two listens. Maybe later it will come. I might check out Evans and Brubeck some time around today. Thanks for the suggestions. Are there any classic trad jazz albums that instantly clicked with anyone?
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 2:42pm
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Not that I'm aware of. Some musicians that have a strong reputation in Bop are Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie. For an earlier swing style you have Coleman Hawkins and Duke Ellington. Personally I'll listen to a wide range of music, but I find that a lot of what those four did is always of high quality, but it may not be what you are looking for.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 2:45pm
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You might find this helpful, this breaks down the chronology of our jazz site, gives you a timetable on the different genres. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/jazz-music.aspx" rel="nofollow - http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/jazz-music.aspx
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 3:32pm
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Glad to have you on board. I see you at PA all the time. Everyone here is willing to recommend and discuss albums and stuff to check out. The reviews are coming, I, and many others are pumping them out.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 3:34pm
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By the way, you might find it easier to get into jazz by getting into jazz-rock/fusion and moving from there. That's how I started; got albums by Return To Forever, Brand X, Chick Corea Elektric Band, and Mahavishnu Orchestra and eventually found myself diggin' post-bop, hard-bop, and cool jazz.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 4:09pm
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^ Ah, a'right. Thank you all for the advices. I'll ... try it all.
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 7:52pm
We don't need no stinkin' PAers comin' 'round hyar. Oh...wait. 
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Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2012 at 10:45pm
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Hey, welcome, Dayvenkirq! I'll second a lot of the recommendations you've had so far, all are good indeed. Specifically I'd suggest these perhaps, (I'm trying to keep the idea of accessibility in mind as I do): Bill Evans' Everybody Digs Bill Evans (trio setting, piano, bass drums) Herbie Hancock's Headhunters (seminal funk jazz) Dave Brubeck's Time Out, Jazz Impressions of Japan (fantastic 'cool' jazz) Santana's Caravanserai (you'd probably already know it though) Keith Jarrett's The Köln Concert (beautiful solo piano improv) Freddie Hubbard's First Light (some of the early 1970s CTI albums like this are more challenging per-cursors to 'Smooth Jazz') Have a look around the site and you'll find a few reviews for most of those - otherwise youtube will let you sample em of course, let us know how you go with the genres/artists suggested and I'm sure we can keep suggesting. Interested to hear what you enjoy! Ashley ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 30 Jun 2012 at 12:26am
| ^ Thank you for the recommendations. I'll try to come up with some time and patience and simply dive in. |
Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 6:07pm
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Hello again. I have just remembered something ... I was wondering if someone could actually recommend me something in the spirit of this: ^ This is not perfect but
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2012 at 6:30pm
| The first thing that came to mind watching this was Joe Pass' solo guitar albums. "Virtuoso" is favorite with a lot of people. |
Posted By: DamoXt7942
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2012 at 1:33am
Welcome also here. 
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 12:47am
How about jazz on acoustic/classical guitar?
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js wrote:Posted By: js
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 12:52am
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Look at the review at the top of the home page, jazz with the feel of a classical guitarist. There are lots of jazz guitarists who play acoustic, off the top of my head, Earl Klugh and John McLaughlin come to mind, as well as all the Bosa Nova players like Jobim etc.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2012 at 1:13am
^ Thanks. 
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Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2012 at 8:35pm
| for Monk try Criss Cross .. also look into some McCoy Tyner, Atlantis comes to mind |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 9:55pm
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onward through the night -------------
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2012 at 10:05pm
| ^ Is it a line from somewhere or were you just bored? |
Posted By: bytor2112
Date Posted: 24 Oct 2012 at 12:27am
Wow! There's alot of PA'ers around here.
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Posted By: Dayvenkirq
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 2:04am
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Would you guys say that much of jazz (typically) demands concentration or could one just hear it instead of listening to it and enjoy anything that catches his ear?
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 3:47am
| Depends on the style I guess, I'll use music as wallpaper sometimes, but some music demands you pay attention, it doesn't stay in the background very well. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2012 at 4:38am
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^ I find the same - also, if I switch off the deep concentration, new things do jump out at times. I suddenly realise just how great something is that way
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