HIP HOP, the new be-bop?
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Topic: HIP HOP, the new be-bop?
Posted By: Abraxas
Subject: HIP HOP, the new be-bop?
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 12:33am
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Forget the title, that's just an idea I have for a t-shirt, hehe. Anyone is a fan? I've become one this year, after starting to like rap with a bunch of funky rock bands, hip hop really hit me with the jazzy trio BadBadNotGood which is totally instrumental, but employs the minimalistic grooves of hip hop. Oh, and I mustn't forget of DJ Shadow! Instrumental hip hop, if that exists, genius sampling and mixing. I've mainly been listening to the 90s classic hip hop full of jazz samples, Gang Starr, Us3, De la Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, etc.. From today, guys like Eyedea and MF Doom are really inspiring. Let's not forget of Madlib, another instrumental hip hop producer, with the Blue Note album, Shades of Blue. Come here and share your favorites, suggest, and request!
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 12:50am
| I want to recommend Jazzanova and Talvin Singh personally. Both are in the site. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 1:08am
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I was addicted to hip-hop in the late 80s, I love those sampled and looped James Brown beats, still do. I have hundreds of mix tapes recorded off the radio in the SF bay area that have top DJs mixing the hip-hop of the day. Some favorites are: Public Enemy, Ice T, Eric B and Rakim, EPMD and lots of other stuff. My interest in hip-hop dropped off when the beat changed to a less syncopated style, but I still like jazz/hip-hop fusion.
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 1:47am
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This is just pure class: What d'ya think?
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 11:56am
| ^ those raps are good, but musically I still prefer that old James Brown or breakbeat type rhythm. I'll post some examples later. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2012 at 11:49pm
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Here's an old favorite by EPMD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHEI8fJdiM" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJHEI8fJdiM
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 11:17am
That's intense sampling/groove! Thanks for sharing, will check out more of this.
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js wrote:Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 11:51am
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LL Cool J got a lot of flak for going commercial and making some weak songs, but "Moma Said Knock You Out" rocks like a mofo. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyX7dHmaRlA" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyX7dHmaRlA
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 12:01pm
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The first time anyone heard Public Enemy in the late 80s, they were immediately blown away by their intensity and sheer funky noise and barely controlled chaos. "Night of the Living Baseheads" was a whole new thing and it made quite an impression. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVCRFN4Sd7U" rel="nofollow - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CVCRFN4Sd7U
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2012 at 7:32pm
| Oh. Yes. LL Cool J and the PE are good old old school for me. "Fear of a Black Planet" is still my favorite. Probably I had compilation of Tommy Boy in about 1989, but left contents. Probably Digital Underground and Queen Latifah should have been collected. |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 26 Sep 2012 at 8:01pm
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I'm a fan of the older rap too, but I really like BBNG thanks to Pablo, and found a lot of great stuff from Eyedeas and Abilities too. One of my students showed me Eyedeas.... suspecting I'd like em
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 4:11pm
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Well, if anyone's interested, I've been doing besides some rambling on the guitar and bass, some sort-of beats that could go with some rap. http://soundcloud.com/jean-luc-le-fou/byrd-brother-byrd" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/jean-luc-le-fou/byrd-brother-byrd http://soundcloud.com/jean-luc-le-fou/ojo-con-el-perro" rel="nofollow - https://soundcloud.com/jean-luc-le-fou/ojo-con-el-perro If you recognize any of the samples, point them out! Hehe. They're not perfectly made, I primarily do these in one take.
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 7:52pm
Those are real nice  , ...no point in guessing the samples though, you already listed them. 
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2012 at 8:45pm
Haha, silly me! Thanks for listening.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2012 at 3:54am
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Re the title... I used to laugh with my buddies that were in a group (Call Your Friends >> named after their drummer Fred Callier >> yes the US black dude) that were disillusioned with attracting a minimum crowd with their normal repertoire based mostly on Horace Silver
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I had jokingly suggested them to hire a hip-hop singer and start playing bip-bop jazz...
 (well I thought it was funny)... Not surprisingly, they were only mildly amused...
------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 20 Dec 2012 at 1:46pm
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I'm sure there's still good stuff produced today, but I think the genre has taken a nose dive over the last few years. Even my hip-hop-loving friends rarely listen to much of it anymore, and rarely show me a new album that's good anymore. Most of them have actually moved away from hip-hop and listen to jam bands now. Weird. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Argonaught
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2013 at 11:22am
I'll stick with the "original" bebop, if that's OK 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2013 at 1:07pm
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I'm more of a post-bop guy. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |