The poll of 1959
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Topic: The poll of 1959
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Subject: The poll of 1959
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2011 at 10:03pm
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It is well known that 1959 may well be the best year of jazz, sort of like 1969 is in rock (or 1967). I chose a handful of album from 1959, pick one. |
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2011 at 10:07pm
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Ahh...ummm...well, Ah Um, followed by Coleman, Brubeck and Sketches.
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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 10:53am
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I still have so much to listen, even from this list. Kind of Blue is excellent, but I never talked about it as a masterpiece from a personal level. I don't remember Sketches of Spain too well. Too much Davis to focus on. Time Out is need, and you gotta listen to its hits at least once, but as a whole it didn't impress me. I'd go for a different Bill Evans Trio (like Village Vanguard). ------------- 
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 10:57am
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I'll be boring and choose Kind of Blue. It's a magical album
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 3:49pm
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My top three, masterpieces: 1. Kind of Blue2. Giant Steps 3. Time Out The others, some I have others I don't, but are not necessarily faves of mine, especially Sketches of Spain which I'm not really fond, I used to listen to it frequently while Don Quixote haha.
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 4:11pm
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Have you heard the Mingus album yet, Pablo?
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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 6:21pm
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Out of the ones I've heard, inclined to say Time Out. I need that Mingus album, though, as well as the Coleman and Ellington albums, so no vote for me.
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 12 Apr 2011 at 7:30pm
Yes, indeed. I love Goodbye Pork Pie Hat and Better Git In Your Soul, yeah not very original hehe. I still need to get into most of the rest. Undoubtedly a great album, but needs more time.
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SaltyJon wrote:Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 12:34am
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I think the Ella Fitzgerald album is the only one I've never heard. These are all great albums!
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Posted By: Pekka
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 2:09am
This, though I've only heard five of them. Giant Steps I love as well, and Sketches has some magical moments. ------------- 
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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 2:18am
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Miles Davis is still hard to digest for me, so I went for something easier-Time Out, it was one of the first albums that made me want to listen to jazz. Mingus is very good too. |
Posted By: Vompatti
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 11:05am
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Sketches of Spain.
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 3:24pm
OH NO!! SKETCHES OF PAINNN!!! ooohohoohohhh....
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Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 6:25pm
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I love Sketches of Spain, but it's nowhere near Mingus for me.
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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 7:19pm
Haha, that was a joke. But it's true that I don't really appreciate it, yet. And yes, Mingus Ah Um is miles ahead of Sketches of Spain.
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 8:19pm
Give Sketches of Spain a chance. It's a grower Mingus Ah Um is great, though I remember it took a few spins to enjoy as well ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 8:58pm
| ^I have listened to Sketches various times, more than 20 for sure. It's not really my thing, right now. |
Posted By: SaltyJon
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 9:06pm
I get it, Miles Ahead.  ...that's from 1957, though. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/Salty_Jon" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 13 Apr 2011 at 9:17pm
It's not the usual Miles album. I had it for years before I could appreciate it. There's a lot of classical influence on that album ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2011 at 8:34pm
Huh, I loved Sketches from first listen
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Posted By: peskypesky
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 4:54pm
| my God, those are some amazing albums. really wild that they all came out the same year. and very difficult to choose, but I have to go with "Kind Of Blue". |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 4:55pm
| Kind of blue! Classic album! |
Posted By: Krilons Resa
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 4:57pm
Mingus Ah Um 
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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 18 Apr 2011 at 5:00pm
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I finally ended up voting for Ah Um, just over Sketches and Time Out
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 8:11am
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I went for Sketches, but the first three must be the toughest to sort out....
For Mingus, I much prefer Black saint to Ah Hum
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 8:49am
| This is my personal opinion. "Kind Of Blue" seems to be overvalued a little for me. This album might certainly be a very important album as the establishment of Modal Jazz. However, it is guessed that Miles Davis was judged the history and the situation of the Jazz and always evolved. It was felt that Kind Of Blue was the street point. I have not heard a wonderful opinion so much for the Kilimanjaro album though In The Sky and Silent Way are popular. I think that the Kilimanjaro album is very important in the process of going to the album in the 70's. And, Kind Of Blue is also similarly important. However, it is not felt so much that I am an album where it has the overwhelming might. Am I wrong? |
Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 12:53pm
That's because Black Saint is possibly the best jazz album ever. Ah Um is still great, of course. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/TullDerGraff" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2011 at 1:04pm
You're not wrong. Though I agree Kind of Blue gets a little too much attention, and overshadows a lot of other classic Miles albums; unlike other overrated albums, I understand why it gets so much attention. I mean, I voted for it in this thread. But I agree, Miles went on to do even better things in the 60s, like with the second great quintet, and later with Miles In The Sky and Kilimanjaro, both are albums which eases right into his fusion period. But there is fantastic music on those 2 albums. I dont know which one is more important for his progression to the 70s albums, but they both played a part. By the time In A Silent Way came about, i think Miles was already deep in fusion mode, though still with the 60s "laid back" feel. It wasn't until Bitches Brew came that Miles was ready to really move forward, more than ever before. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2011 at 7:47am
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Sketches for me, KOB was tempting, as I am a big fan of it and Bill's piano, but 'Sketches' went beyond what I was expecting for Jazz (when I first heard it) and so I have to vote there ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: MilesBeyond
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2011 at 11:03am
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Some fantastic albums up there, but I've got to throw my lot in with the masses and say Kind of Blue. Even of the ones on the list, it may not be my favourite album to listen to all of the time, but it's transcendental music and it's incredible importance to the future of jazz easily put it at the top. For an album to grab the attention of both casual fans and die-hard elitists alike is incredibly rare, but Kind of Blue is one of those albums that someone who's never heard jazz before can dig on the first listen, whilst learned and professional musicians are still, over fifty years later, trying to unpack all its secrets. |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 1:11pm
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What a great year. It's very close to me between The Shape of Jazz to Come, Mingus Ah Um, and Giant Steps, and I went with the Coleman -- a groundbreaking, I would say, album. A couple of albums that I was expecting to see on the list are Sun Ra's Jazz in Silhouette -- I think it's a terrific album -- and the Art Blakey one from that year. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 29 Oct 2011 at 2:15pm
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Kind of Blue for me ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Logan
Date Posted: 30 Oct 2011 at 1:01pm
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I'm probably strange this way, but Kind of Blue, though I certainly like it, is one of my least favourite classic Miles Davis albums. I much prefer Sketches of Spain off the list, though it was released in 1960 and recorded in 1959 and 1960, so I don't think I'd include it in the list. I think If I had to choose, my two favourite Davis years for his releases are 1967 and 1974 for Sorceror and Nefertiti and Big Fun and Get Up With it. ------------- "Anyone can make the simple complicated. Creativity is making the complicated simple" (Charles Mingus). |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2011 at 7:33pm
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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2011 at 1:26am
Don't bet , you'll lose, I like 'Bitches Brew' better ------------- I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ... Ken Burns |
Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2011 at 7:23am
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As do I, I was struck by the hard to digest comment, I took that to mean is was a tough listen, or not accessible, tastes vary I realize, but I always considered Kind of Blue to have a very contemporary vibe. |
Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2011 at 8:40am
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^ At first "Kind Of Blue" was really a tough listen , not anymore , but even now I don't enjoy listening to it( I never feel the urge to put it in the player and listen to it, I just do it as a mean of 'self training') while I enjoyed 'Bitches...' from 1st listen(even if it happened some 10 years( of jazz listening) later).
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Posted By: darkprinceofjazz
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2011 at 10:26am
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 25 Dec 2011 at 7:06pm
Of course I thought that the opinion varied. The jazz of this time still had a big demand for entertainment for at least Japan. Probably the mode jazz and the free jazz were for a fan of the jazz. Of course I was going to say that "KOB" was the album which was very important to jazz and Miles Davis. And "KOB" might have become the turning point for jazz and Miles Davis. This is because it felt that I called this album overestimate when there is the part of the passage point in a trip of the music of Miles Davis. In any case it is certain that "KOB" is a splendid album.
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Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2011 at 4:32am
I kind of agree with you While for most mainstream music fans, the gentle almost uncommiting KOB would be easier to get into than the almost-obtuse BB... BUT.... for experimented music fans (like most of us progheads), BB is the easier one to like instantanly (was my case), while KOB might just be an acquired taste... I certainly had to wait a few years to dig it..... SOS was a much more direct hit for me. ..
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