Genre representative albums
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Topic: Genre representative albums
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Subject: Genre representative albums
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 8:49am
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Like many of you, I know some jazz but I have major problems operating with the genres. Therefore, I am officially requesting the more knowledgeable members to recommend me one or maximum two quintessentially representative albums for each of the following genres: Hard Bop Post Bop Post Fusion Contemporary Eclectic Fusion This shall do for the moment. Thanks in advance!  |
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:13am
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For the Post 70s Eclectic Fusion I would recommend Power Tools, the new Terje Rypdal album, (something about Crime, I forget the title), and Medeski Martin and Wood. The Blood Ulmer album 'Free Lancing' is easily one of his best. There are reviews up for all of those. For Post Bop, any of the Miles Quintet albums and Herbie's 'Speak Like a Child'. |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:29am
| For post-fusion contemporary jazz I always thought non-fusion Hiromi's albums were a best example. We had plenty of discussions on her music there, and I know you don't like her music in general, so I would say another good example for me is one of Jason Moran's Bandwagon's album. |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:29am
Thanks John. I know and like Rypdal's Crime Scene. With this album and with Led Bib's Sensible Shoes, which I see is also Eclectic Fusion, I think am already starting to understand the idea behind this category.  Interestingly, I see you mentioned Zorn twice in the Eclectic Fusion definition, but only one of his albums is tagged as Eclectic Fusion, and that one only has a ** review. Should I skip Zorn from my discovery of Eclectic Fusion?  |
Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:31am
Thanks Slava. I promised to check out at least one full Hiromi album before declaring I'm officially not interested, so I might try one. I heard Jason Moran's Ten and wasn't thrilled with it, is Bandwagon better? |
snobb wrote:Posted By: js
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:40am
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Re Zorn: I would recommend Zorn's band Naked City. That is the band that caused us to create Post 70s Eclectic Fusion, I just couldn't see putting that band with 70s fusion bands. Naked City has its own entry.
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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:43am
^^ Hmm, I am not a right person to recommend  . Generally , I don't like Contemporary jazz at all, for me it's a modern sophisticated form of pop-jazz or smooth jazz ,etc, and it's far not my cup of tea. I just listened some albums and saw some live shows (I saw Jason Moran's Bandwagon live, and they are really professional team on stage), so I just think it's a good illustration.Don't ask what is the best Contemporary jazz album for me .
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:46am
| Interesting, I always thought Naked City are considered avant-jazz. But I've heard only one album (the self-titled one). |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 9:47am
| They play everything, sometimes in one song, ha, I saw them live, they were incredible and I'm not much of a Zorn fan usually. |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 10:31am
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Post Bop / Miles Davis - "E.S.P", "Miles Smiles", "Sorcerer". They have occasional avant moments (to my ears)
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 14 Apr 2011 at 10:38am
| Then, may I think that I have Post Bop and implications by Modal Jazz? |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 4:06am
if I've known of Hard Bop, I've never heard of post-bop....and to be quite frank, I've always heard of BeBop and not Bop
And these jazz-related and those fusion categories are not only confusing (despite the definitions), but disputable as well... I don't want to make an issue about this though...
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Posted By: harmonium.ro
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 4:17am
^ you are making an issue already  We have multi-tagging here, just look at the profile of an artist with a more diverse discography, like Miles Davis for example. |
Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:11pm
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Alex, if you are still looking for genre representative album, by now the tops in the categories should be a decent indication
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:43pm
the term "post-bop" has been around for a long time. "Bop" is just another way to say "Be-bop" so it's all the same. I agree some of the genre decriptions are confusing, but Ive come to understand them a little better over time. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:45pm
I kind of disagree, the charts for each sub-genre are in need of a few more ratings and reviews, I dont feel they are accurate just yet. ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:51pm
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^ Even more - for many and many artists and genres they need a lot more ratings to become more or less representative
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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 8:04pm
But, for the particular ones Alex was inquiring about, I see many albums I think of as representative of the genres in the top rated. That may be partly due to my own ratings .------------- http://www.last.fm/user/TullDerGraff" rel="nofollow">
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Posted By: AtomicCrimsonRush
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 3:21am
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I kind of liked this manic thing
Hard Bop
and
A bit of cool with Charlie Parker
and also a classic with legends Davis, and Hancock
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2011 at 8:17am
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Although that is a sort of relaxed piece for a Bop tune, Charlie Parker doesn't play Cool, he plays Bop. If you want Cool, check out Gerry Mulligan or Chet Baker. Charlie Parker and Dizzy Gillespie are the essence of Bop.
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