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Topic: The JMA Pat Metheny Appreciation Thread
Posted By: darkshade
Subject: The JMA Pat Metheny Appreciation Thread
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 12:15pm
Pat Metheny seems to be a controversial artists on these forums, so I thought I'd try and weed out the fans of his music with this thread. I have been personally listening to a lot of his music (PMG, PM solo, PM Trio, etc...), and I can't get enough of it.

I usually stay away from his "smoother" albums, as I am a big fan of albums like The Way Up, The Road To You, Bright Size Life, Offramp, etc... as well as his Trio albums like 99>00

I also love the mixing of jazz-rock and world fusion in the Pat Metheny Group albums, as I enjoy the world music flavors.

Metheny has played with so many of the modern greats, it's almost embarrassing if you do not at least know of his work, he is one of the Big 3 of Modern Jazz Guitarists


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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 2:28pm
Like I've said many times, I'm a fan mainly because my dad is a fan and has like 20 of his albums, including his early classics, plus some later ones, including the great Secret Story, Imaginary Day and The Way Up.

I love how he has such a distinguished style, both as a guitarist and as a composer. The up-lifting lines are pure bliss.

My favorites are:

1. American Garage
2. As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls
3. Watercolours
4. Pat Metheny Group
5. The Way Up


Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 2:49pm
Apparently http://rateyourmusic.com/collection/RicochetK/strm_a/pat+metheny/1" rel="nofollow - I don't think so low of him . I can't deny that starting with his early stuff (Bright Size Life, Watercolours) was very promising, plus I like The Way Up, but much of the rest is completely average. In a period (last year) when trying new jazz artists payed off immensely, my disappointment (overall) in Metheny was maddening and, besides, fueled even more by his popularity, trendsetting status or overrated skills/technique, given such forgettable music or downright cheeseballs.


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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 2:50pm
lol cheeseballs

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Posted By: The Manticore
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 4:28pm
Up until very recently, I always put him in the same class with Kenny G. Elevator music. But after hearing his performance on Like Minds with Burton, Corea and Haynes, I looked into it a bit more. I still have very few recordings but do like his work with the PM Group. I guess that's the Fusionista in me.

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Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 4:31pm
Originally posted by The Manticore The Manticore wrote:

UBut after hearing his performance on Like Minds with Burton, Corea and Haynes,


Something tells me Metheny wasn't dictating there. Wink


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 5:09pm
My favorite albums are

The Way Up
The Road To You
Pat Metheny Group
Bright Size Life
Offramp
American Garage

and then there are various other albums, either as a collaboration or as a guest, and they are all very good post-bop, fusion or world fusion. I stay away from his "cheeseball" recordings (though I have a few)

The Orchestrion album from last year is supposedly a great album, but I haven't heard it yet.


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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 5:12pm
^Orchestrion is good, but not much else. It's pretty much more of the same good ol' Metheny, just get it if you can find it cheap.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 5:18pm
I usually see it for the rough price of $18.99

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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 5:22pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I usually see it for the rough price of $18.99

Yep, it's pretty expensive. 

Have a look:


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 7:06pm
sounds pretty cool. If I get the chance I'll get that album

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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2011 at 8:48pm

I feel the music of Pat Metheny as a subjective opinion there is often a progressive part. According to circumstances, they will not stay in simple Jazz.

There might be an exchange with various musicians as a reason why they are reflected.

In addition, it thinks the proof of the element of a progressive part and AG Jazz for thought and understanding to exist in the part that participated in the album of Ornette Coleman and Steve Reich and was performed.

Pat Metheny really understood the music of Ornette Coleman. And, the performance in "Different Trains" of Steve Reich can be improved. It is guessed that this proves the allowance of Pat Metheny to be wide. Or, the election of the musician who chooses when they are made to join the recording of the album might be understood enough to practice the music that should be really done and be done.



Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2011 at 12:32pm
Right, I have Song X with Coleman, Jack DeJohnette, Charlie Haden; it's very avant-garde and not an album I can always listen to

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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 6:00pm
Pat Metheny is an intersting artist, sometimes damn excellent, sometimes damn terrible. Of the ones I've heard (which isn't much in the full scope of things) the ones I like the most are Song X and Speaking Of Now. I should've bought Offramp when I had the chance, but didn't. And I've almost bought The Way Up several times as well. Maybe now that i'm on a jazz kick I'll actually do that...
 
That Orchestrion album is interesting. I love the concept behind it, but the execution doesn't completely float my boat. I just think sometimes It's not being used to its full potential. The title track is wonderful though. There was some live footage of it somewhere, which I also enjoyed. Hopefully he continues to work in that vein as it is very interesting and can yield some wonderful results.
 
For a different take, I have a collaboration between Derek Bailey, Pat Metheny, Gregg Bendian and Paul (I think) Wertico which, if you know Bailey's career, is well out of the range of "cheeseballs". Free form, generally aggressive duelling guitars/percussions. Quite nice. And of course, there's always Zero Tolerance For Silence. Tongue 


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Posted By: Abraxas
Date Posted: 26 Apr 2011 at 6:42pm
^I agree with you about Orchestrion, the concept is interesting and parts of it are fantastic, but overall it's not that good.

If you liked Speaking of Now, which is pretty much the "new style of Metheny", albums like Imaginary Day or Secret Story are recommended. The Way Up, I had thought it was overrated until I listened to it again the other day, it's indeed damn brilliant, very Prog-like, but unique.

And yes, you should have got Offramp (or any other early Metheny) hehe. 

I still haven't listened to Song X though.


Posted By: Zarathustra
Date Posted: 27 Apr 2011 at 11:18am
I've been a life-long follower of Pat's stuff--all of it from Gary Burton, Joni Mitchell, Group, solo, Ornette, Haden, etc. I've loved his fusion of world sounds, his raw free form, his orchestral arrangements, as well as his choice of musicians (Rodby and Wertico are amazing!) To truly be won over by him, however, I believe you've got to experience him live. His performances are among the most engaging I've ever attended. "I've never danced so much while sitting in a seat!" was my comment after the first time I saw him (1985).

Faves: "New Chatauqua," "Secret Story," "As Falls Witchita, So Falls Witchita Falls," "Beyond the Missouri Sky," and "The Way Up."   


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 03 May 2011 at 11:42am
Not that big a fan of Metheny... I've heard mostly his early stuff, though, but hardly everything from that time either
 
I'd say Offramp, Chautauqua, Watercolours, Travels, Bight Size, are the ones I like most (and in some kind of order in this case), but I don't own any (I just rent them)


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 3:06pm
Ive seen a lot of people have been listening to "As Falls Witchita..." lately, I'll have to throw that one on, I havent heard it in years

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 04 May 2011 at 3:15pm
Song X is the only Metheny I like and this probably because it's atypical Metheny

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 22 Jun 2011 at 12:07pm
LOL

Honestly, I probably wont get that one for a long time; I'm not the biggest fan of covers albums


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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 4:36am
Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

It seems to be a mistake with the name, the name of the album is "What's it all about" and not "Fast Train To A Quiet Place"?
A line from the lyrics to Alfie, one of the tunes PM covers, as originally sung by Cilla Black for the first movie of the same name. Album title seems rather apt, but perhaps now with a month away from hearing the album and making no great rush to listen again, I'm starting to ask what's the point - contractual stopgap??


Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 6:33am
Here's the Pat-led titles I have:
Metheny, Pat    Bright Size Life    1976
Metheny, Pat    Watercolors    1977
Metheny, Pat    New Chataqua    1978
Metheny, Pat Group    Pat Metheny Group    1978
Metheny, Pat Group    American Garage    1979
Metheny, Pat & Lyle Mays    As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls    1980
Metheny Group, Pat    Offramp    1982
Metheny, Pat Group    Travels    1982
Metheny, Pat Group    First Circle    1984
Metheny, Pat Group    STILL life (talking)    1987
Metheny, Pat with Dave Holland & Roy Haynes    question and answer    1989
Metheny, Pat    Secret Story    1992
Metheny, Pat Group    Imaginary Day    1997
Metheny, Pat    Map of the World, A    1999
Metheny, Pat Group    Speaking Of Now    2002
Metheny. Pat    One Quiet Night    2003
Metheny, Pat Group    Way Up, The    2005
Metheny, Pat    Orchestrion    2010

I started to lose interest after First Circle, but will add a title if I find something interesting and the price is right.  The Way Up still hasn't impressed me.  I really enjoy Orchestrion.  I also have a few more him in other collaborations.  Not many in those that really excite me. 


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Posted By: andyman1125
Date Posted: 19 Jul 2011 at 12:51pm
I have a number of Metheny albums, and you could say I'm a pretty big fan LOL

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2011 at 12:04am
I listened to the group's live album The Road To You yesterday. Such a great album full of great melodies and warm atmosphere's.

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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 9:23am
Just won a Grammy award in the Best New Age Album category. That definetly says something about the direction his music has taken recently

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Ken Burns


Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 4:41pm
Originally posted by idlero idlero wrote:

Just won a Grammy award in the Best New Age Album category. That definetly says something about the direction his music has taken recently
Haven't heard his ltest, but can't qualify his previous Orchestrion as new age at all.... typical ECM-Metheny, yes.... new age, no!!


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2012 at 11:55pm
I heard Orchestrion for the first time recently, and was really digging it. I forgot I was going to get that album.

THANKS JMA!


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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 11 Apr 2012 at 10:13pm
If there is a member knowing the information about "Unity Band" of Pat Metheny, please tell me. Probably the album will be released in June.


Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 01 May 2012 at 1:36am
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

If there is a member knowing the information about "Unity Band" of Pat Metheny, please tell me. Probably the album will be released in June.
 
 
- Pat Metheny / guitar
- Chris Potter / sax
- Ben Williams / bass
- Antonio Sanchez / drums
 
 


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 06 May 2012 at 9:06pm
^ That's the first I'm hearing about it.

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Posted By: wideopenears
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 2:43pm
there are some reviews out......it looks good.  Chris Potter on anything means it's "autobuy" when I see it....man, Chris never runs out of ideas.   Looking forward to hearing this...


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2012 at 3:00pm
Originally posted by wideopenears wideopenears wrote:

there are some reviews out......it looks good.  Chris Potter on anything means it's "autobuy" when I see it....man, Chris never runs out of ideas.   Looking forward to hearing this...


Let us know how it is. I like Pat Metheny, but not everything he does is "auto-buy" for me.


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2012 at 9:22pm
That first Pat Metheny Group album always gets me. I don't know what it is, but it's just a beautiful album. It seems a lot of Metheny talk has been going on both on the forums and the site (and on PA too).

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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 9:50pm
There was the information that a live album as "Orchestrion Project" was announced in this autumn. However, the release seemed to be postponed somehow or other.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2012 at 11:05pm
I listened to Orchestrion maybe once or twice, and remember thinking it sounded cool. I'll have to revisit it again.

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2012 at 6:50pm
Pat's Pikasso 42-string guitar



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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2012 at 7:06pm
Yea. Orchestrion is one of Pat's best. Listening again now, and it's up there with some of the best albums he's done in the last 10 years or so. It's really cool how the album was made. Info can be found here  http://www.patmetheny.com/orchestrioninfo/" rel="nofollow - http://www.patmetheny.com/orchestrioninfo/

I can't believe I overlooked the album when it came out.


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 7:32pm
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

There was the information that a live album as "Orchestrion Project" was announced in this autumn. However, the release seemed to be postponed somehow or other.
 
Hmm...that'd be awesome. I heard some live stuff with the Orchestrion stuff and its great. If this comes out I'll def get it.


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 7:33pm
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

If there is a member knowing the information about "Unity Band" of Pat Metheny, please tell me. Probably the album will be released in June.
 
 
- Pat Metheny / guitar
- Chris Potter / sax
- Ben Williams / bass
- Antonio Sanchez / drums
 
 
 
This is released now, the sanples sound good but doesn't make me want it imeediately. If anyone has heard it thoughts would be appreciated.


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 7:34pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Pat's Pikasso 42-string guitar

 
LOLLOL
 
My god I want one!!
 
Are there albums out there he has used this on?


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 7:49pm
Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Pat's Pikasso 42-string guitar

 
LOLLOL
 
My god I want one!!
 
Are there albums out there he has used this on?


I know for a fact that he uses it on the Pat Metheny Group album "The Road To You", which I also believe is his best rated album on JMA. I also think it's his (their) best album before "The Way Up".


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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2012 at 7:50pm
Unfortunately I have not yet checked Unity Band. The formation resembles formation such as "80/81", but probably the musicality will be different enough. When listeners like the music that current Pat goes, the listener may enjoy it.
 


Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 5:42pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Pat's Pikasso 42-string guitar

 
LOLLOL
 
My god I want one!!
 
Are there albums out there he has used this on?


I know for a fact that he uses it on the Pat Metheny Group album "The Road To You", which I also believe is his best rated album on JMA. I also think it's his (their) best album before "The Way Up".
 
Hmm...interesting. I wasn't completely enamormed with the samples of TRTY I heard. Perhaps it's time I reevaluate (this was some time ago).


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 5:51pm
Originally posted by Kazuhiro Kazuhiro wrote:

Unfortunately I have not yet checked Unity Band. The formation resembles formation such as "80/81", but probably the musicality will be different enough. When listeners like the music that current Pat goes, the listener may enjoy it.
 
 
Mmmm...that was pretty sweet!


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2012 at 6:05pm
Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Originally posted by Cannonball With Hat Cannonball With Hat wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

Pat's Pikasso 42-string guitar

 
LOLLOL
 
My god I want one!!
 
Are there albums out there he has used this on?


I know for a fact that he uses it on the Pat Metheny Group album "The Road To You", which I also believe is his best rated album on JMA. I also think it's his (their) best album before "The Way Up".
 
Hmm...interesting. I wasn't completely enamormed with the samples of TRTY I heard. Perhaps it's time I reevaluate (this was some time ago).





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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2012 at 4:20pm
Yeah, thats not bad. But I do prefer the Unity Band clip above. Tongue
 
I assume the insane guitar is being played on that track??


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2012 at 9:09pm
I'm not sure. I don't think so. However, I don't remember which tracks he used it for.

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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2012 at 4:58pm

Well, I bit the bullet and bought The Road... anyway.



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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2012 at 8:22pm
What do you think?

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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2012 at 3:22am
Just bought it today so I haven't listened to it yet, but I'll come back to this thread when I do.

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Posted By: Dean Watson
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2012 at 12:07pm
The Road to you is brilliant in my opinion.  That guy, or should I say that band, makes the best use of reverb I have ever heard.  So lush and soft but never surfy or blanketed .....
 
Btw - that guitar was made just a walk away from where my son currently lives in Toronto.  Linda has made two of them, and said if made a third it would sell for $100,000.  I wonder what Pat has paid for his 16 or so of her guitars he has purchased over the years?


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 04 Mar 2013 at 10:18pm
His Orchestrion Project cd is lovely. Definitely more enjoyable than the studio CD.

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 1:02pm
Interesting. I will probably pick it up sometime soon. I've been meaning to get some more Metheny albums for some time.


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 05 Mar 2013 at 1:05pm
Originally posted by Dean Watson Dean Watson wrote:

The Road to you is brilliant in my opinion. 


I agree. It might just be his best album ever. There's something magical about it.

Listened to The Way Up recently, for the first time in a while. Another gorgeous album, and one that really grows on you or years. I could see it being the Pat Metheny Group's swan song, as I don't see the band reforming anytime soon...


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Posted By: FromArmstrongtoZappa
Date Posted: 22 Apr 2013 at 3:00pm
I picked up an lp by Pat Methany and Ornette Coleman called Song X and I highly recommend it. You can hear samples on youtube.

FromArmstrongtoZappa


Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 23 Apr 2013 at 12:13am
^ That is definitely my favorite Metheny record I have. Endangered Species in particular is brilliant.

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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 26 May 2013 at 6:04am
It looks Pat tried new field collaborating with John Zorn on new album - a bit more adventurous, but still same Pat Metheny though



Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 8:22am
What's the difference between that one and this one?


Also, are these Book of Angels series considered John Zorn albums, or by the band/artist releasing it??


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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 8:37am
The Book of Angels series contains music from other artists, not just Zorn.


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 9:25am
Is there overlapping material or is it all new?

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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 27 May 2013 at 9:48am
two above covers are just two releases of the same album on different labels (one on Zorn's Tzadik and the other - on Metheny's Nonesuch, same material though)

Book of Angels is John Zorn pre-composed (generally klezmer-based) music, played by different musicians


Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2013 at 8:06pm
Does anyone know how pre-composed the BOA series is? I've heard it's basically just a brief sketch of ideas that the performer really fleshes out....but this was by no means an official source.

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Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 10 Aug 2013 at 3:43am
here is some info about it:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/john-zorns-book-angels" rel="nofollow - http://www.stereophile.com/content/john-zorns-book-angels


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 18 Aug 2013 at 4:48pm
This is my first post here on these forums (Hi everyone!), and I was really glad to see a thread devoted to the Pat Metheny Group. I had no idea that Metheny would be a controversial artist here, but I suppose I can see why after reading this thread.

That said, I love nearly all of the guy's music I've heard so far, having only become acquainted over the last few years. Just got First Circle yesterday and cannot stop listening to the song "Yolanda, You Learn". This song comes so close to perfection for me; there's not one thing I would change about it. There's something uplifting about so much of their music.

Interesting to hear your thoughts on the Orchestrion album -- this is one that I passed up, but now I'm very curious to check it out. Thank you for sharing your thoughts everyone.  :)


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 12:13am
I was really curious to hear how Orchestrion sounds when it was released - and the first impression was quite good. But after few spins it started to sound too mechanical. Since I'm not a big Metheny fan in general, probably my opinion here is too much personal. In all "Orchestrion" sounds as Pat's regular album from that period, just a bit more static.

I listened to more current "Orchestrion Live" release as well - to be honest I didn't find big difference between studio and live versions, but still live album sounds slightly better for my ear.


Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 8:46am
Speaking as a non fan(but not a hater), 'Orchestrion' didn't impress me beyond the technical aspect

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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2013 at 2:18pm
The studio album for me was average, with only the title track (I think...I'll admit I'm not so good with track titles) really standing out. The live disc works better for me as the concept feels much more integrated than on the studio disc. Perhaps it's a production issue idk. As a result I like the live disc much better than the studio one.

I certainly recommend getting at least one of them as the concept is pretty cool IMO.

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2013 at 12:03pm
Been meaning to check out the live album, as well as the Zorn/Metheny album. One of these days...


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 27 Dec 2013 at 12:58am
If it makes any difference, I find the Metheny/Zorn disc to be very excellent. It doesn't feel like a Masada release (less emphasis on the klezmer stuff) and thus gives a bit of freshness to the overall series. I only wish the last track was longer!

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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2014 at 9:38pm
Possibly the listener may already reserve this.


Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2014 at 10:37pm
^ I'm certainly looking forward to that one!

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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: 10 Jan 2014 at 11:58am
Metheny/Zorn sounds interesting.  Anyone heard or have the album with Reich/Metheny Electric Counterpoint?

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2014 at 8:08am
The last Pat Metheny album I checked out was the Orchestrion album in 2010. What's been the best PM album since then?

I've read good things about the Live Orchestrion, and the Zorn/Metheny album. What about the Unity band albums? Anything else?


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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2014 at 8:49am
The new Unity band album sounds very nice.
http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/video/pat-metheny/6662" rel="nofollow - http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/video/pat-metheny/6662


Posted By: snobb
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2014 at 8:59am
Live Orchestrion is very similar to studio one. Zorn/Metheny album is much more energetic than Metheny's albums from last decades, for me it's his best work for many last years


Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2014 at 4:55pm
That's what I've had my eye on (The Zorn album), that'll be my next Metheny purchase.


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2014 at 9:28pm
A good choice.

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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2014 at 9:00am
I brought this up before, and is part of the reason I didn't buy it sooner, but it seems there's 2 versions of the Zorn/Metheny album, one as a Zorn album, one as a Pat Metheny album. Are they the same?

Off topic, but isn't there also Zorn album in that same series with Medeski, Martin & Wood?


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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2014 at 9:06am
Originally posted by snobb snobb wrote:

two above covers are just two releases of the same album on different labels (one on Zorn's Tzadik and the other - on Metheny's Nonesuch, same material though)

Book of Angels is John Zorn pre-composed (generally klezmer-based) music, played by different musicians


Found my answer Embarrassed


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Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2014 at 5:35pm
Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I brought this up before, and is part of the reason I didn't buy it sooner, but it seems there's 2 versions of the Zorn/Metheny album, one as a Zorn album, one as a Pat Metheny album. Are they the same?

Off topic, but isn't there also Zorn album in that same series with Medeski, Martin & Wood?
 
There is, and if you're a fan of MM&W (which I know you are) I'd track it down. Especially if you were missing that Jewish influence in their music. Tongue


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