Mix of Jazz and Classical Music
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Topic: Mix of Jazz and Classical Music
Posted By: The_Jester
Subject: Mix of Jazz and Classical Music
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 9:34am
| I looked at a really great album by Don Sebesky I think and it was a perfect match between Jazz and Classical Music. I don't remember wich album it was but it was amazing. Is other mix like that were made? |
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Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 9:55am
 this one? ------------- I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ... Ken Burns |
Posted By: Prog Geo
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 10:00am
| Porgy and Bess (Miles Davis version) is a good example. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 10:31am
| Check out our 3rd Stream genre. That is where we put artists who mix jazz with concert hall music, as well as jazz artists who write compositions. |
Posted By: Sean Trane
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 11:22am
You might want to check out a few of Alice's albums, were she dabbles in classical music as well (notably stravinsky Rites Of Spring), but she's got it (or had it , should I say) quite easy with her classical formation, and her sometimes over-powering string arrangements.
I'm investigating also Neil ardley's works, right now.
Also coming to mind are Deodato's jazz arrangement of Strauss (called zathustra), debussy and ravel works in the early 70's.
You'd better look under the third-stream genre to bget more indications. ------------- my music collection increased tenfolds when I switched from drug-addicted musicians to crazy ones.... 
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Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 11:28am
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You know I've heard of Sebesky but it's been many years since I've heard the music. But what came to mind first is this band called Free Flight. I don't think they've been active since the early '80's but one of the two albums I have is actually called The Jazz/Classical Union. BTW, another artist who isn't on here yet. Add them to my list. ------------- 
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 12:09pm
| We added Sebesky long ago. |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 5:53pm
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Here is something different. It is not like his usual fare and actually would be one of the softest mastering jobs I have ever heard but it needs to be for the material. Three takes of "Spiegel Im Spiegel"...(Mirror in the Mirror) , Duets of piano and violin or violincello and two of "Fur Alina" ( solo piano) Although absolutely beautiful it is depressing. When I bought it surprisingly my wife played it as well as one of my daughters and you would think it would be the last type of album to be popular here. If it had been a record would have had a few pops by now with the amount of play. http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-media/product-gallery/B000024HL1/ref=cm_ciu_pdp_images_1?ie=UTF8&index=1" rel="nofollow">
 Maybe there is a Salsa version out there  We are all too crass here for Classical. If it does not swing, rock,disco, etc , it is usually out the door like a rocket------------- Matt |
Posted By: Jazz Pianist
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 6:27pm
| Try Epitaph by Charles Mingus if you can find it anywhere. INCREDIBLE composition, and Third Stream, which is the fusion of classical and jazz. |
Posted By: Slartibartfast
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 6:28pm
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js wrote:Posted By: js
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 6:30pm
D'oh 
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Posted By: triceratopsoil
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 8:09pm
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Hell, even Sketches of Spain is pretty classical in nature. John Zorn has done some classical albums ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/TullDerGraff" rel="nofollow"> 
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 17 Jun 2011 at 8:48pm
| The knower person might have a lot of George Gershwin as a classic item. I recalled Eugen Cicero because I read this thread. However, because Sean referred Hubert Laws and Deodato before, I am approaching the opinion. Perhaps, it will be able to refer from the section of Pop Jazz as well as Night On Bald Mountain and Farandole of Bob James. |
Posted By: Freddie Freeloader
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 9:59am
| Uri Caine! |
Posted By: dwill123
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 11:20am
Perhaps it was Don Sebesky's "Giant Box" |
Posted By: Cannonball With Hat
Date Posted: 18 Jun 2011 at 6:18pm
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I believe Dave Brubeck did some tinkering in this realm. At least the one piece I have " Elementals" (from Time Changes) mixes the two. ------------- Hit it on Five. Saxophone Scatterbrain Blitzberg Stab them in the ears. |
Posted By: idlero
Date Posted: 20 Jun 2011 at 1:24pm
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I recommend Lucian Ban-Enesco Re-Imagined
------------- I think the problem with a lot of the fusion music is that it's extremely predictable, it's a rock rhythm and the solos all play the same stuff and they play it over and over again ... Ken Burns |
Posted By: Chicapah
Date Posted: 21 Jun 2011 at 1:02pm
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Sebesky's "Giant Box" has a great blending of Mahavishnu Orchestra's "Birds of Fire" with Stravinsky's "Firebird Suite" and Bob James has a jazzy version of "Night on Bald Mountain" on his album "One." I'm sure there are many more examples but those two come to mind immediately. Also, if you're into synthesizer-heavy covers of classics check out Tomita's work in the 70s.
------------- Make a joyful noise unto the Lord... |
Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 13 Jul 2011 at 3:22pm
Of course Blue Rondo A La Turka - with a big thank you to WA Mozart - which Keith Emerson subsequently transcribed into 4.4 for Nice. Amused by a classical fan taking some' offence hearing Hubert Laws Going Home (ex Chicago Theme album), and recognising it was a bit of Dvorak's 9th or New World Symphony - I had to remind him Dvorak had lifted a number of negro spirituals for that composition - so it was kinda going home! |
Posted By: Moshkito
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2011 at 8:03pm
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Hi,
Try Egberto Gismonti's No Caipira from the 70's ... and see if you can handle most of the album ... it is, Villa Lobos meets Samba, meets Bossa Nova, meets Jazz, meets Stravinsky ... and then ... who knows ... who cares ... it's out of this world and one of the finest things ever recorded!
You don't even need any psychedelics to enjoy it! ... and at the time I was reading Doris Lessing's "Briefing for a Descent Into Hell" ... and if you have'nt read it (quick read btw ... small novel!) ... you are cheating, but this music was like a real soundtrack for that novel!
Let's see. Terje Rypdal had some orchestral pieces that I have to listen to again, as I don't really remember them that well.
There was one other piece that I think it is an ECM album, that I have never found that is really neat ... someone wrote a piece for Chromatic Harp with an orchestra, and no, this was not Norton Buffalo, or Toots Thielmanns, and I have never found that piece ... but yeah ... it was massive and I thought that the Harp was very jazzy around the orchestra.
And my apologies, I have not kept up with ECM in the past 15 years.
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Posted By: Dick Heath
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 12:22pm
| Remember 20th century serious composers have written pieces specifically for jazz musicians including Benny Goodman and Dave Brubeck. Worth digging out the "Jazz" album released by the conductor Simon Rattle some 20 years ago, to get some examples of these pieces. On 'Jazz' too you'll find the rarely played jazz arrangement of Gershwin's 'Rhapsody In Blue' originally made for Paul Whitemans Orchestra - I believe Whiteman and co. were the first to play 'Rhapsody'. This is a composition that has slipped into the classic repertoire with the more familiar classical orchestral arrangement. Something similar seems to have happen to Scott Joplin's rags through Joshua Rifkin's albums . |
Posted By: Matt
Date Posted: 25 Oct 2011 at 2:07pm
I have the Paul Whiteman album, Rhapsody In Blue"as well with "An American In Paris". Released as double format,( album each side of the record) It was one of my mums records. I have not played it. I kept the album though and you have piked my interest some what. Thought it might be a bit too staid for my taste. I knew to keep the record though 
 ------------- Matt |
Posted By: Atavachron
Date Posted: 27 Oct 2011 at 2:44am
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I'll start with the out of print and very rare BS&T score to The Owl and the Pussycat, a farce based on the Manhoff play with a simmering blend of brass pop, hard bop, and faux Baroque. I don't even think its ever been on CD, though I have the movie. Next would be the criminally ignored Brandenburg Gate:Revisited by Brubeck and friends Finally a personal fave since childhood, MJQ's incomparable Blues On Bach |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 10:50pm
Exactly! I found it back in my stuff and it's this!
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2011 at 10:51pm
| But the album's not on the website... |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 12:42am
^ I might take him on and finish off his discog, give me a few weeks but 
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Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: 30 Dec 2011 at 10:45am
| Nice! |
Posted By: dreadpirateroberts
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2012 at 11:25am
Nearly done now, only got a few odds and ends to tidy up http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/don-sebesky.aspx?ac=don%20se" rel="nofollow - http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/don-sebesky.aspx?ac=don%20se ------------- We are men of action. Lies do not become us. http://www.jazzmusicarchives.com/dreadpirateroberts%28member%29.aspx?reviews=all/" rel="nofollow - Reviews... |
Posted By: The_Jester
Date Posted: 05 Jan 2012 at 12:40pm
| YES! |