Recommendations on Avant-garde jazz
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Topic: Recommendations on Avant-garde jazz
Posted By: danielpgz
Subject: Recommendations on Avant-garde jazz
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:23am
| I'm not much of a specialist on the genre, but I would really like to know what groups/artists can you recommend me that play in a style influenced by 20th century concert music (Messiaen, Schöenberg, Takemitsu...) and that also doesn't include the classics, such as Cecil Taylor or Albert Ayler. I really like this kind of avant-garde jazz but I don't know many artists. |
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 6:26am
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I like this mixture too, the first person that comes to mind is Gunther Schuller. Also, Anthony Braxton did a lot of work combining modern composition and jazz. I'll try to think of some more.
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Posted By: Kazuhiro
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 7:00am
| The album in ECM of Meredith Monk and Giya Kancheli might recollect it. |
Posted By: danielpgz
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:03pm
| I've also read of John Zorn but haven't heard any of his music, what do you think? |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:16pm
| He is very eclectic, some of his albums are in the range of what you are talking about, but some others are not. You might want to try reviews of his albums on here. |
Posted By: danielpgz
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:24pm
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What I'd really like to find is something that is not so influenced in the "mainstream avant-garde"(if I'm allowed to coin this term), namely John Cage, Pierre Boulez or Karlheinz Stockhausen; but much more on Toru Takemitsu, Olivier Messiaen or György Ligeti. Thanks a lot for the other recommendations, I'm already listening to them! |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 4:39pm
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There's an album composer Mimargilou (sp) did with Freddie Hubbard called "Sing me a song of Songmy" decidedly outsider AG. Also Ornette Coleman's "Skies of America"
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Posted By: danielpgz
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 6:48pm
| Both albums look great, thanks! |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2011 at 11:14pm
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I just remembered a personal favorite, Milton Babbit's "All Set" for jazz ensemble. Babbit was a great serial composer who also did commercial music on the side (musicals etc) this jazz piece seems to have a lot of humor to it, its jazz deconstructed and fragmented, excellent piece of music as is all of his music.
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Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 12:50pm
Henry Cow 
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Posted By: js
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2011 at 5:00pm
| ^ Thats an avant-garde rock group, he's looking for concert hall composers mixed with jazz, at least as far as I understand so far. |
Posted By: seb2112
Date Posted: 31 Jul 2011 at 8:41am
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js wrote:Posted By: Padraic
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 3:13pm
Thus my wink. |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 3:30pm
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Now you tell me. Of course Frith did have the composition chair at Mills College (previously held by Milhaud and Terry Riley) so maybe that was legit.
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Posted By: Henry Plainview
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2011 at 8:31pm
I can't think of any Zorn that would really fit your description. He's very eclectic, but as far as I know his chamber music is very much "straight" 20th century classical and does have much to do with free jazz. You might still like him, although I've mostly gone off him personally. Man, I haven't been thinking about free jazz enough lately, I'm having trouble thinking of things. Of course, Anthony Braxton is the go-to guy for combining free jazz and academic music, but I'm as baffled by his massive discography as you are (and the one album I am familiar with, For Alto, is excellent but not what you're looking for). You might be interested in http://www.carrierrecords.com/index.php?album=awol&category=all&artist=none" rel="nofollow - Architeuthis Walks on Land and http://www.squidco.com/miva/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=12255" rel="nofollow - Minamo . He played with Cecil Taylor for many years, but Jimmy Lyons' albums http://www.amazon.com/Give-It-Up/dp/B002BM5RGM/ref=sr_shvl_album_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1312507720&sr=301-1" rel="nofollow - with his wife Karen Borca might satisfy your Messaien sounds, she plays bassoon. I'm not very familiar with the works of 20th century classical composers so I can't say how they fit into that. ------------- 
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Posted By: seb2112
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 9:36am
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Posted By: darkshade
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 1:04pm
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Not sure based on your specifications. Maybe you'd enjoy Sun Ra? ------------- http://www.last.fm/user/MysticBoogy" rel="nofollow - My Last.fm |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 2:02pm
That's news to me. ------------- 
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Posted By: danielpgz
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:38pm
| Thanks a lot to everyone. What about japanese jazz musicians? In the vein of avant-garde jazz |
Posted By: js
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 6:43pm
| Check our list of artists with AG releases. A person's place of origin is usually listed by each name. I know we have at least a few Japanese artists in the AG section, and more on the way I am sure. |
Posted By: Ricochet
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2011 at 7:07pm
Satoko Fujii (Quartet albums prioritarily) Masayuki Takayanagi (Eclipse, Angry Waves) Otomo Yoshihide (the jazz project, particularly Dolphy's Out to Lunch cover) -------------
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