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Third stream is a term coined by composer Gunther Schuller to desribe music that attempts to mix jazz with classical concert hall music. Jazz caught the ear of many composers in the early 20th century and soon Ravel, Debussy, Stravinsky and others began to put elements of American ragtime into their music. French composer Darius Milhaud furthered these experiments that culminated in George Gershwin's 'Blue Monday' and 'Rhapsody in Blue', two pieces which represented some of the first truly successful fusions of jazz and concert hall music.

From the jazz side of things, early attempts at classical influence came from Duke Ellington, Artie Shaw, Woody Herman, Bix Beiderbecke, James P. Johnson and others. Gunther Schuller and John Lewis' 'Third Stream Music', which combined a string quartet with a cool jazz combo, was one of the first entirely successful concert hall pieces by a jazz composer.

In today's music world, Third Stream often refers to compositions that have some element of jazz. At JMA, the Third Stream genre is also where you will find jazz or jazz related music that relies on composition more than improvisation.

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TERRY RILEY In C (Members of the Center of the Creative and Performing Arts in the State University of New York at Buffalo feat. conductor & saxophone: Terry Riley) Album Cover In C (Members of the Center of the Creative and Performing Arts in the State University of New York at Buffalo feat. conductor & saxophone: Terry Riley)
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4.66 | 7 ratings
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THE WATERCOLORS La Grande Odyssée

Album · 2024 · Third Stream
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Matti P
THE WATERCOLORS is a Finnish act playing compositions of its leader Janne Saarinen, whose instruments are oboe and cor anglais, both very rarely heard in jazz. On this second album he's accompanied by vibraphones, double bass and drums -- like on the debut --, plus violin, viola and cello as later additions to the line-up. I'm not familiar with the first album, but at least La Grande Odyssee is a charming work of purely acoustic Third Stream Jazz combining chamber music and jazz aesthetics in perfect harmony.

The seven pieces of this 42-minute album are between four+ and eight+ minutes in length. 'Aurora (the Dawn)' is perhaps my favourite as it has such "cantabile" melodies. The whole combo sounds inspired. 'Headwaters' is a bit more angular and less flowing as a composition but not without jazzy spirit which is best guaranteed by the vibes.

'Dance of the Cranes' features pizzicato of strings as a basis. The piece is thoughtful and playful simultaeously, as if the wind and string instruments were having a philosophical conversation which is paused by a lighthearted solo for vibes. On the slow and introspective 'Wildflowers' the spotlight lingers on the string trio, and later on the double bass when the others play fewer and fewer notes. Beautiful minimalism.

Another melodic highlight is 'Atlantis' where the vibes nicely increase the jazziness. 'Evening Star' is very delicate in its serenely slow tempo.

This album's music is organic, free-flowing, elegant, sophisticated and intimate. I believe the classically oriented music lovers would easily connect with it even without having strong ties to jazz. The drums are played moderately enough not to break the pastoral-like chamber feel. And vice versa, the jazzheads even without a strong classical orientation may be charmed by the seldom heard and yet the most harmonic combination of the two worlds.

EBERHARD WEBER The Following Morning

Album · 1977 · Third Stream
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My first exposure to the liquid bass sound of European jazz great Eberhard Weber. Side One of this album has been a mainstay fixture in my life since 1979, harboring two absolutely perfect songs, rendering its whole as that incredibly rare phenomenon: a perfect side.

1. "T. On A White Horse" (10:52) (20/20)

2. "Moana I" (10:10) (20/20)

3. "The Following Morning" (12:04) far more spacious and less melodic and less flowing that the previous two rather lush and sweeping song. The piano and double bass are more bare and authentic sounding--more jazzy--and less processed and engineered--the very thing that makes the album's sound feel like proggy fusion. I have, however, grown to like this one. Rated down for so much "empty" space. (21.875/25)

4. "Moana II" (7:42) this one is just a weird variation of the other Moana--with Rainer doing things that make him sound bored and Eberhard sounding as if he's just trying anything that comes to mind--like the first practice session out which "Moana I" came. Kind of unprofessional sounding filler. (12.25/15)

Total time 40:48

The arrival of this music--including Side One, a "perfect" side (an all-too-rare feat)--caused a profound awakening, such a dramatic transformation in my listening adventures and tastes, that I will forever be indebted to Eberhard and Rainer. Side Two is, unfortunately, far below the level of breathtaking beauty and much more experimental with 'soundscapes' than Side Two. Otherwise, this would be one of my favorite albums of all-time.

Wait a minute! It still is! I just turn it off after "Moana I"!

NO DRUMS! What a joy! What a revelation: that music doesn't have to have a 'beat'--or that it doesn't have to be provided by a standard drum kit. Hail to Brian Eno for turning off the drums! Hail Peter Gabriel and his WOMAD! Hail to Bill Bruford and his Simmons electronic drum kit! Hail to Zakir Hussein and his non-Western percussion! Hail to Mickey Hart and his ethnic musicology! Hail to Glen Velez and his hand drums!

If you want a trip to some of the most beautiful, peaceful inner mindscapes you could ever imagine, program "T. on a White Horse" and "Moana I" to play and repeat, over and over and over. I call this blissful place heaven!

I also love the orchestral support throughout the first two songs (something sadly lacking on Side Two's offerings). I'm really having trouble giving this album less than five stars, for it is such an unusual music listening experience, yet, the third and fourth songs, as mentioned, are far less appealing and engaging than the transportive first two. "T. on a White Horse" and "Moana I" are, IMHO, an essential experience of the mastery of truly 'progressive' music. This will be one of those rare times when the pieces of an album will earn the album a high rating despite the true 'adjusted rating' of the whole. A-/five stars; a minor masterpiece of pristine jazz-rock fusion. For me, The Following Morning represents the absolute peak of the wonderful Weber-Brüninghaus-ECM relationship.

NEIL ARDLEY Kaleidoscope of Rainbows

Album · 1976 · Third Stream
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One of the most obscure albums that I've discovered in my recent deep dive into the early Jazz-Rock Fusion scene comes from British intellectual Neil Ardley. Here he composes complex jazz-rock and then enlists the help of many seasoned musicians (many of whom had served in the ranks of Ian Carr's Nucleus).

Side 1: 1. "Prologue/Rainbow One" (10:25) layers upon layers of minimalist arpeggi performed polyrhythmically in rondo form--until 3:05 when they all come together in an awesome kind of DON ELLIS/EARTH WIND & FIRE/AVERAGE WHITE BAND jam. And then, oddity of all oddities (especially for a Jazz-Rock Fusion song) is the fact that the first instrumental solos don't begin until the seventh minute! (Given to Ian Carr, of course.) Very interesting--and enjoyable! (18.75/20)

2. "Rainbow Two" (7:35) a gentle duet of acoustic bass and flute open this one before woodwinds join in. Though mathematically interesting, eventually, the gentle, plodding music becomes rather soporific. (13.25/15)

Side 2: 1. "Rainbow Three" (3:28) Jean-Luc Ponty-like cello gets the leadership role over a percussive, Afro-folk rhythmic weave from the drums, percussion, and funky electric bass. Everything slows down at the end for a very subdued dénouement. (8.875/10)

2. "Rainbow Four" (6:15) this one starts out sounding like a merger of old-style jazz with modern minimalism but then everything shifts into old style Sketches of Spain-like music for trumpet, flutes, and other wind instruments to solo and weave in and out of a gorgeous Spanish-sounding ballad. Absolutely gorgeous melodies performed with awesomely inventive "choral" weave. Soprano sax solos in the fourth minute. The pain and anguish of the soloist gets so overwhelmingly powerful in the fifth and sixth minutes! Music does not get much better than this! (10/10)

Side 3: 1. "Rainbow Five" (4:25) sounds like a modern melding of DON ELLIS' big band ORCHESTRA with a smooth Weather Report or Freddie Hubbard. Great clarinet play in the song's first and only extended solo. Ends with another odd separate whole-band horn motif. (9/10)

3. "Rainbow Six" (7:39) flutes and other winds trill around each other like butterflies before electric bass, vibes, hand percussion, and brass enter providing gentle waves of Kind of Blue-like textures. The bass and jazz guitar provide the only disruptors to the gentle waves of winds--the bass creating an EBERHARD WEBER-like feel. By the final third of the song the rolling waves of wind instruments begin to show a hint of a minimalist pattern. Nice tune. A very interesting composition. (13.5/15)

Side 4: 1. "Rainbow Seven/Epilogue" (14:58) sounds and feels like a kind of mélange of several (if not) all of the themes and styles of the other songs--the Epilogue portion definitely mirrors the opening in a re-oriented kind of variation. A little slower and more spacious than the opening side, there is some nice guitar and electric piano play involved (which was not so featured on previous songs). I love the rolling bass sound and the big band horn. Ken Shaw's extended guitar solo is a bit too jazz guitar-like and not so rock 'n' roll, and then Brian Smith's sax solo follows. With four minutes to go there is a full shift into a completely new and different motif with bass and drums leading the band into an almost-imperceptibly speeding up pace will horns et al. follow and embellish. (27/30)

Total Time 54:46

An album with wonderfully crisp and clean compositions performed and recorded with equal definition and clarity. With no side extending beyond 18 minutes--and three less than 15 minutes--in length I guess it should be no wonder that the sound quality is so great.

A-/five stars; a minor masterpiece of finely-crafted jazz-rock fusion--an album that I think every prog lover would love.

MICHEL COLOMBIER Wings

Album · 1971 · Third Stream
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While most listeners may associate or even confuse Michel Colombier's craggy, soulful voice and compositions with Blood, Sweat & Tears and their famous frontman David Clayton-Thomas (or by way of influence The Buckinghams), Colombier was an artist unto himself as well as a more rounded and realized progressive/jazz musician who not only sung-up a storm, but developed some of the best progressive brass-jazzrock ever recorded. And with some very good help from the brilliant songsmith Paul Williams, singer-lyricist Lani Hall, and a fully orchestrated ensemble that brought the power, his 1971 extravaganza 'Wings' is a shamefully ignored LP.

Brimming with theater and stage-set mellodramatics, the '71 release is a fully realized example of the deep possibilities of what progressive popular music had become, Colombier gingerly reaching out with 'Freedom and Fear's dizzied arrangements hitting on myriad forms, setting the bold tone of this LP, merging seamlessly into instrumentals 'Earth' and 'Thalassa'. Paul Williams' fabulous nasal toy-doll vocals lead the moody & slightly Beatlesesque 'Doesn't Anybody Know?', both a product of its era and yet setting itself apart with unexpected darkness and Herbie Hancock piano play circa '71.

'Pourquoi Pas?' and 'Morning is Come Again' sneaks up on us without warning, has surprising frenetic horn-play and deep chorales, one of the best passages here, and 'For Those Who Cannot Hear' is troubled reflection as is Lani Hall's 'We Could be Flying' putting us squarely in the audience of some experimental theater piece that surely closed the same week hosting tiny but appreciative onlookers. Morose 'Emmanuel' and Herb Alpert's 'All in All' say goodbye with some sweet sentiment and a touch of Hair as our nightcap.

One day almost every fan of symphonic jazz/pop will come around to this sort of rarefied time in merged music, and this effort will hit them suddenly, tragically, surprising them with its startling brilliance and with a moment missed but loved all over again.

JOE JACKSON Will Power

Album · 1987 · Third Stream
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Matti P
My knowledge on the British musician JOE JACKSON (b. 1954) were very limited before now. I had heard the early 80's hit 'Steppin' Out' and perhaps a late 80's weak pop album. I had a vague idea of him as a New Wave artist often compared to Elvis Costello, but I didn't really know about his musical versatility that stretches to jazz and even to classical or "serious" music. Will Power, his first foray into the latter, is cruelly bashed in All Music Guide as "a good exercise in self-indulgence but little of anything else" while the user reviews there are encouragingly positive.

Even the legendary prog or fusion musicians such as TONY BANKS, MIKE OLDFIELD or PEKKA POHJOLA (who wrote an actual symphony) usually haven't received much kudos from their orchestral works, although it feels pretty natural they should extend their already eclectic and ambitious oeuvre into that field. All the more harsh it feels to see it judged as mere self-indulgence when someone initially less oriented to classically inspired music makes an album like this one. In fact I'm indeed positively surprised by Will Power -- which I wasn't by Oldfield's orchestral albums. Perhaps it even would deserve to be performed live by a philharmonic orchestra, today. (Sadly the compositions of Contemporary Music are often forgotten after their premieres, or if they're originally albums they may never enter the concert halls, as it probably was the case with Jackson's work. Nowadays orchestral works composed by pop/rock musicians are hopefully ignored by fewer people than earlier.)

Will Power contains four shorter pieces plus a 16-minute 'Symphony in One Movement'. 'No Pasaran' is a sharp-toned and very urban-sounding 6-minute piece with hypnotical repetitive patterns slightly reminiscent of some Vangelis compositions of the 70's. Good use of percussion! The nearly 10-minute 'Solitude' has a moody atmosphere, slow tempo and lots of flute in the nuanced soundscape. Some human voices are added later. I find Jackson's arranging skills to be notable. Traditional orchestral instruments are joined by guitars, saxophones and synthesizers.

Also the title track has a colourful, vivant soundscape. All in all, one can sense some stylistic relation to the minimalism of PHILIP GLASS. The orchestral suite "Hjuvi" (1992) by the Dutch art-pop band NITS -- in practise it was an effort of their keyboardist Robert Jan Stips -- comes to my mind, too. The tender, ballad-like 'Nocturne' focusses on the acoustic piano. I like its introspective and emotionally deep melodies.

In the winter of 1985 Jackson was commissioned to write a 20-minute score for a Japanese film, "Shijin No Ie" (House of the Poet), and the orchestral piece was recorded with the Tokyo Symphony Orchestra. He adapted the music into 'Symphony in One Movement' to start this album project. His symphonic vocabulary is quite clearly of the 20th century. I like the way various instruments come to the fore in this dynamic and yet thoughtful composition.

Definitely one of the best orchestral works, if not the best, I've ever heard from an artist with a popular music background.

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